Originally posted by pentaxmz I'll step in, since I am the biggest instigator of this issue, lately.
The problem is that the K20D and the latest K7 share a serious limitation when taking long exposures in Bulb mode. Every exposure taken will effectively double in length. It's not really a serious problem for shorter (measured in seconds) exposures, however, 1 minute, 5 minutes, and longer exposures will surely ruin your enjoyment with these cameras.
The reason why the exposures time is doubled is because these cameras have a mandatory noise reduction (more specifically known as DFS or Dark Frame Subtraction). Every exposure is followed by a dark frame of equal length, any hot pixels found on the dark frame are algorithmically removed from the actual exposure. This ensures a relatively noise-free exposure. Every other DSLR allows the DFS algorithm to be switched off because either the photographer is not concerned about additional noise, or the photographer will apply their own DFS at a later time.
In my previous posting, I attached a photograph of lightning. This was taken with a Canon camera. In order to get this type of photo, the camera is opened in Bulb mode (aperture slightly stopped down) and exposed until lightning is captured. Sometimes, the exposures are more than 2 minutes long.
Originally posted by pentaxmz Not quite, the noise is not actually random. In long exposures, a certain number of pixels will begin to go hot after a certain amount of time. That is the entire point of the second equally long exposure. The same pixels will go hot again, then the camera subtracts those hot pixels the first exposure.
As mentioned numerous times, the DFS doesn't need to take place immediately after a long exposure. Most/all photographers prefer to do the DFS after they are done taking photos. Unfortunately, if you own a K20D or K7, this is not an option.
thanks, good explanations
Originally posted by lsquare Kenyee,
I appreciate your attempt to help me, but I really don't understand what the problem is. In fact, I have no background with Pentax cameras at all. What is this long exposure problem. Can you be a bit more specific about it? Also, how does one deal with the long exposure problem?
Bulb mode, is for exposures longer than 30 seconds, where you have the camera on a solid (expensive) tripod, and use a wire remote.
If you do not shoot longer than 30 seconds, then it is a non-issue for you. And if you just need a few shots, than usually it will not be a problem either
For long exposures, there was a user who had extensive experience with it, who recommended Pentax and the K7. It can stand more massive cold than other cameras, this will help get less noise. And it is completely gasketed, so no trouble with moisture formation.
Originally posted by petercrane I couldn't be happier with the k7 and it's long exposure capabilities.
This was one of the first long exposures I took when I got the camera. Shutter was open for around 2 minutes.
Wheel of Brisbane on Flickr - Photo Sharing! Great shot.
I thought my K10 had automatic DFS ? I guess I would prefer that it had. I seldom use bulb mode, and when I do, I would prefer that I can’t go wrong and the camera will help me out.
Anyway, if some shooting situation is important to me, I would usually plan on bringing along two bodies.
More important to bulb mode, I think I prefer that they work on up to 60 seconds in automatic longer shutter mode.