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07-17-2009, 06:47 AM   #1
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Limited budget...what should I do?

I own K10D and have following lenses and accessories:
Pentax 18-55mm, Pentax 28-105mm, Sigma 17-70mm and Sigma 70-300mm lens, also own AF360 flash. Trying to decide if I want to just add Sigma 10-20mm lens or go for the Pentax K20D!! With K7 now out...no doubt K20D will come down in price. What should I do...New K20D or just add Sigma 10-20mm lens to collection. Thanks

07-17-2009, 10:34 AM   #2
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I would buy the lens, and buy the k-7 when the price comes down (I am doing the same sort of thing) on the assumption you have a need for the wide angle - lanscape or whatever.
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I personally think the K20d is a significant bump in iq relative to the K10d, and right now you can pick up a K20d for a song. I'd snap that up now and then ponder adding a K7 as a second body in a year or so (or wait to see if there is a K30d).
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Welcome to the forums. Even though the K20D is an upgrade to the K10D, on a tight budget I wouldn't buy the camera. I'd get glass first. I've made the same choice myself. I have a K10 and a K20 but decided to get a couple of lenses to finish my kit instead of the K-7.

Looking at your lens lineup though, you should sell a couple of lenses to offset the 10-20mm purchase.
The kit lens is redundant with the Sigma 17-70mm
The 28-105mm is an overlapping lens and although a decent everyday lens with a nice focal range, it's overlapped by the 17-70 and 70-300.

You could sell these both and probably cut your new lens purchase by $150.00+ or so. (the 28-105mm seems to be worth around $100 or maybe more)

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I previously owned & sold the Sigma 10-20, I bought it specifically for landscapes but it didn't turn out to be as useful as I'd hoped...just too wide on many occasions although that could just be due to my preferred "style"

I also have just upgraded from the GX10 (K10D) to the K20D and have found it to be a more significant upgrade than I was expecting, the new Samsung sensor resolves an impressive amount of image detail, very noticeable over the GX10 - the noise performance is also significantly better.

Depending on your useage I think the step from K10D to K20D is probably a more significant one than the K20D to K7. After careful consideration of my own requirements I certainly couldn't see much (if anything) that the K7 would have provided over the K20D, except for the large price difference !!

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QuoteOriginally posted by whbroker Quote
I own K10D and have following lenses and accessories:
Pentax 18-55mm, Pentax 28-105mm, Sigma 17-70mm and Sigma 70-300mm lens, also own AF360 flash. Trying to decide if I want to just add Sigma 10-20mm lens or go for the Pentax K20D!! With K7 now out...no doubt K20D will come down in price. What should I do...New K20D or just add Sigma 10-20mm lens to collection. Thanks
depends what you want to do but what you have is already very flexible just that maybe you might want a "lowlight" lens to complete the setup.
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QuoteOriginally posted by whbroker Quote
I own K10D and have following lenses and accessories:
Pentax 18-55mm, Pentax 28-105mm, Sigma 17-70mm and Sigma 70-300mm lens, also own AF360 flash. Trying to decide if I want to just add Sigma 10-20mm lens or go for the Pentax K20D!! With K7 now out...no doubt K20D will come down in price. What should I do...New K20D or just add Sigma 10-20mm lens to collection. Thanks
whbroker,
I just recently upgraded from the K10 to the K20 about 2 months ago. I was amazed how much that upgrade seemed to juice up my existing 18-250 zoom. with the higher ISO quality, i was able to more easily get the shutter and DOF i always wanted. Interestingly, i shifted back from some of my prime shooting to the zoom again. Not that i would give up the primes i do have, but it shows how ISO upgrades can affect your lens attitudes.

best wishes,
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I would most definitely say that the K20 is worth the upgrade from the K10 for the IQ.

Regardless of what you decide to do, I agree with Peter in that you do have some overlap on the wider end. Out of the 3 lenses, the Sigma 17-70 is the best one of the bunch and is worth keeping. You've got a couple of options, depending on how much cash you already have on hand and what your plans for the K10 are:

1. If you keep the K10 as a second body and you've already got all the money you need saved up to go ahead and buy the K20, selling the kit and 28-105 lenses would give you a nice little start towards funding your new Sigma 10-20. If you're not quite there yet with the cash on hand, the proceeds of the lens sales will most definitely help you towards your K20 purchase.
2. . If you were to get the K20 (assuming that you've already got the cash to buy one without selling anything) and sell the K10 + the lenses, you might have just about enough from those sales to go ahead and get the 10-20, too.

Currently the K20 body is $629 at Amazon and Adorama and B&H has it for $629.95--all 3 places include shipping. WalMart.com has it for $599.88 + shipping (ship-to-store is free). It wouldn't hurt to check to see if you can get any further discounts through Bing.com

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I'd go for the glass any day. I have the K10D and it's a mighty capable body. Using budget glass on advanced bodies doesn't make much sense to me, unless you have really special requirements in a DSLR body, in which case the special requirements extend to the lens. The K20D is an upgrade over the K10D, but a better upgrade would be Sigma EX or Pentax DA* lenses in opinion.

Granted, I haven't used the K20D, just read about it.

I have the K10D and am in the process of upgrading lenses.

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QuoteOriginally posted by CWyatt Quote
I'd go for the glass any day. I have the K10D and it's a mighty capable body. Using budget glass on advanced bodies doesn't make much sense to me, unless you have really special requirements in a DSLR body, in which case the special requirements extend to the lens. The K20D is an upgrade over the K10D, but a better upgrade would be Sigma EX or Pentax DA* lenses in opinion.

Granted, I haven't used the K20D, just read about it.

I have the K10D and am in the process of upgrading lenses.
Finally a voice of reason. Yes as I said before I have both the K10 and the K20 and I can see some differences between them. But I'm surprised and disappointed by the responses here. Look at the forums (or any other forum). We have the "Takumar Club" the 300mm club the this and that club. Ever find a *istDx owners club? Nope. Is there a common name used when buying a camera like LBA for buying lenses? Nope. Glass is the most important tool.

I shoot 75% of my frames as paid work. A customer has never once complained of the quality on the K10. In fact a lot of that work has come from my *istD with excellent results.

Glass is always the smart move. You could have the greatest camera ever built and shooting with consumer lenses, your images will look like they came from consumer lenses. But if you have a fully cabable camera like the K10D and shoot with good quality glas, you get good quality images. The lenses makes the difference.

You'll change bodies at some point, that's fine, we all do. But you lens collection is something, if chosen wisely, will out live you. Find the lens you want, take care of it and have fun. Save your money and wait on a new body.
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QuoteOriginally posted by whbroker Quote
I own K10D and have following lenses and accessories:
Pentax 18-55mm, Pentax 28-105mm, Sigma 17-70mm and Sigma 70-300mm lens, also own AF360 flash. Trying to decide if I want to just add Sigma 10-20mm lens or go for the Pentax K20D!! With K7 now out...no doubt K20D will come down in price. What should I do...New K20D or just add Sigma 10-20mm lens to collection. Thanks
I can only speak for myself, but ..

I owned two K10D's and sold them a few months back and bought 2 K20D's at a good price.

The K20D's IMHO are way superior to the K10D's. The sensor is much, much better and if you shoot high ISO stuff like concerts its a must. As a side note I bought a K200D which uses the K10D sensor and that camera is a very good performer, Pentax improved the 10.2mp Sony sensor it uses, and it to me is better than my old K10D.

On your lens issue, If you are a wide angle guy (I am) than go for the 10-20mm. But extreme wides are pretty much a specialty lens (landscapes, architecture, dramatic effect, etc) and you must weigh how much it will be used in relation to the cost.

As for me, I'm waiting for Pentax to come out with a extreme wide zoom. I will get that before I would buy the K-7. As a matter of fact I'm using my K20D's and K200D cameras and will wait on the K-7 until I'm satisfied with the high noise issues. I may just not even buy the K-7 and wait for the next generation of Pentax.

Thanks for your time,

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Thanks!! Your advice makes sense! I am going for the Sigma 10-20 lens. Whbroker
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I would get the glass also. In a year the K7 will probably be in the price range the K20D is right now. For whatever reasons, lens prices are rising quite a bit so I would invest in the lenses while the prices are still within reason. With all the new camera bodies being announced by all the manufacturers, it appears they are holding the prices down and looking to make up the difference on the lenses once they have you.
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Hi whbroker

Re your decision:

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I am going for the Sigma 10-20 lens.
In the unlikely event that I were ever to change systems, the Sigma 10-20mm would automatically be my first purchase. I've never once regretted buying this marvellous lens and I suspect that neither will you, especially after you've begun to fully exploit it's unique qualities ! Enjoy......

Best regards
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I have a couple k10d's and a k20d, get the glass. The k10d is a great camera. I've said it before in other threads, 100-400 iso I pick the k10 over the k20.
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