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nostatic · 07-28-2009, 02:49 PM

I found I had to turn my head to the side more to get the same view. If you try to look straight on there is nose way it'll work. This does smell of a plot to sell screen protectors.

**David** · 07-28-2009, 04:35 PM

Buy a P&S

David

ll_coffee_lP · 07-28-2009, 07:05 PM

Use live view...that's what it's for.

c[_]

brecklundin · 07-28-2009, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by David

Buy a P&S

David

Originally posted by ll_coffee_lP

Use live view...that's what it's for.

c[_]

hehehehe...you two are just evil and bad!! hehehehe....nice ones!!

I will add that I have deeper eye sockets so I had the same problem on my 40D as I do on my K20D and likely will when I get a K7. So, for me this is nothing specific to the K20D (and surely the K7 as well).

Erik · 07-29-2009, 01:38 AM

Originally posted by nostatic

I found I had to turn my head to the side more to get the same view. If you try to look straight on there is nose way it'll work. This does smell of a plot to sell screen protectors.

Everyone should have a screen protector on at all times anyway. Not a big deal when they are $1.56 including shipping.

Cambo · 07-29-2009, 08:10 AM

This is just bad ergonomics on the part of every camera maker. It should have been addressed long, long ago. The viewfinder on the 645 is marvelous - that's the kind of thing we need. Screen protectors are a band aid for the real problem - they have not accomodated for the human nose, or at least, non-Asian noses. And please don't take offence at that.

Glad I don't have a big nose - don't know how those people cope with this. It must be VERY uncomfortable shooting for any length of time.

No more snot/nose slime on our screens, please. Adjustable eypieces now.

Cheers,
Camero

Mike.P® · 07-29-2009, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by smc

I Better yet, doesn't someone make a black leather head mask thing?...the one with the zipper across the mouth?

Fantastic idea, it would also have the added bonus of making photographers look a lot less suspicious .. especially when walking through a kiddies playground

Cambo · 07-29-2009, 09:14 AM

Here's what we need - just an accessory viewfinder for those who want it:

1) K7 as it is now - where did they THINK we were going to put our noses?

2) K7 with the Cameron Hood custom Nose-Saver Extendo-Finder with patented "Snot-guard" technology © 2009 by Cameron R. Hood

3) Another view of the K7 'nose-cruncher' as it currently exists.

Please Pentax - save our noses!

Cheers,
Cameron

PaddyB · 07-29-2009, 10:05 PM

Sweat mixed with sunscreen is the worst! Really a pain to get it off the LCD. I like the extender idea!

Damn Brit · 07-30-2009, 02:10 AM

Get a grip (battery that is before anyone accuses me of an insult) and shoot portrait style.

Jodokast96 · 07-30-2009, 06:39 AM

Originally posted by PaddyB

Sweat mixed with sunscreen is the worst! Really a pain to get it off the LCD. I like the extender idea!

Which is why I suffer and deal with the burn at the beach.

Jodokast96 · 07-30-2009, 06:41 AM

Originally posted by jogiba

Get the Z-finder.

Z-Finder - Zacuto

Not for $400!

CaymanImaging · 07-30-2009, 09:27 AM

Anyone know if you can pick up an extended eyepiece that doesn't magnify???

falconeye · 07-30-2009, 01:59 PM

It looks like it is a mechanical problem. It isn't.

As a matter of fact, all SLR cameras (with the exception of Pentax LX with the sports VF) feature a VERY poor eyepiece (aka ocular).

You may look at what is available, even from Pentax, when following some of jogiba posts over there in the K-7 video quality thread:

Originally posted by jogiba

Here it is with a 40mm Pentax XW eyepiece for visual use. It's 2350mm F10 and 1480mm F6.3 with Reducer/Corrector f/6.3 .

Originally posted by jogiba

I think I will try my Celestron 9.25 with F6.3 focal reducer to get 1480mm @F6.3 with my K-7.

Now you get an idea about how much SLR eyepieces really suck. A decent ocular has a so-called "high exit pupil" which doesn't force you to press the eye against the VF at all. And it would allow full 1.53x magnification even at 100% coverage!

We don't get it because we aren't demanding it ...

ryan s · 07-30-2009, 02:27 PM

An extended eyepiece wouldn't do much for those of us with glasses AND our "family noses" since I would take smears on the screen any day over smears on my glasses.

Why?

The coating on my glasses make them impossible to clean without spray and a certain kind of cleaning cloth. Camera stuff doesn't work...already tried.

The screen protector is tough...I can just use my shirt on it. Also develop a head tilt...it helps a little. My buttons get full of oil but oh well. At least no buttons can be pushed on the K-7...can't count the times I've hit the Menu button with my nose. Plus I hold the camera tight to my nose for some reason...it is what it is...

PS...why is this in the News section?

07-29-2009, 08:10 AM	#21
Cambo Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,016 Original Poster	So I'm NOT the only one... This is just bad ergonomics on the part of every camera maker. It should have been addressed long, long ago. The viewfinder on the 645 is marvelous - that's the kind of thing we need. Screen protectors are a band aid for the real problem - they have not accomodated for the human nose, or at least, non-Asian noses. And please don't take offence at that. Glad I don't have a big nose - don't know how those people cope with this. It must be VERY uncomfortable shooting for any length of time. No more snot/nose slime on our screens, please. Adjustable eypieces now. Cheers, Camero

07-29-2009, 09:14 AM	#23
Cambo Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,016 Original Poster	Mock ups... Here's what we need - just an accessory viewfinder for those who want it: 1) K7 as it is now - where did they THINK we were going to put our noses? 2) K7 with the Cameron Hood custom Nose-Saver Extendo-Finder with patented "Snot-guard" technology © 2009 by Cameron R. Hood 3) Another view of the K7 'nose-cruncher' as it currently exists. Please Pentax - save our noses! Cheers, Cameron Attached Images

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nostatic Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: socal Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,575	I found I had to turn my head to the side more to get the same view. If you try to look straight on there is nose way it'll work. This does smell of a plot to sell screen protectors.

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07-28-2009, 07:05 PM	#18
ll_coffee_lP Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,972	Use live view...that's what it's for. c[_]

07-28-2009, 10:38 PM	#19
brecklundin Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Photos: Albums Posts: 1,674	Originally posted by David Buy a P&S David Originally posted by ll_coffee_lP Use live view...that's what it's for. c[_] hehehehe...you two are just evil and bad!! hehehehe....nice ones!! I will add that I have deeper eye sockets so I had the same problem on my 40D as I do on my K20D and likely will when I get a K7. So, for me this is nothing specific to the K20D (and surely the K7 as well).

07-29-2009, 01:38 AM	#20
Erik Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Umeå, Sweden Posts: 755	Originally posted by nostatic I found I had to turn my head to the side more to get the same view. If you try to look straight on there is nose way it'll work. This does smell of a plot to sell screen protectors. Everyone should have a screen protector on at all times anyway. Not a big deal when they are $1.56 including shipping.

07-29-2009, 08:42 AM	#22
Mike.P® Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Milton, Hampshire, UK Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,154	Originally posted by smc I Better yet, doesn't someone make a black leather head mask thing?...the one with the zipper across the mouth? Fantastic idea, it would also have the added bonus of making photographers look a lot less suspicious .. especially when walking through a kiddies playground

07-29-2009, 10:05 PM	#24
PaddyB Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Taipei Posts: 65	Sweat mixed with sunscreen is the worst! Really a pain to get it off the LCD. I like the extender idea!

07-30-2009, 02:10 AM	#25
Damn Brit Guest	Get a grip (battery that is before anyone accuses me of an insult) and shoot portrait style.

07-30-2009, 06:39 AM	#26
Jodokast96 Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Erial, NJ USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,134	Originally posted by PaddyB Sweat mixed with sunscreen is the worst! Really a pain to get it off the LCD. I like the extender idea! Which is why I suffer and deal with the burn at the beach.

07-30-2009, 06:41 AM	#27
Jodokast96 Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Erial, NJ USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,134	Originally posted by jogiba Get the Z-finder. Z-Finder - Zacuto Not for $400!

07-30-2009, 09:27 AM	#28
CaymanImaging Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Albuquerque, NM Photos: Gallery Posts: 194	Anyone know if you can pick up an extended eyepiece that doesn't magnify???

07-30-2009, 01:59 PM	#29
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	It looks like it is a mechanical problem. It isn't. As a matter of fact, all SLR cameras (with the exception of Pentax LX with the sports VF) feature a VERY poor eyepiece (aka ocular). You may look at what is available, even from Pentax, when following some of jogiba posts over there in the K-7 video quality thread: Originally posted by jogiba Here it is with a 40mm Pentax XW eyepiece for visual use. It's 2350mm F10 and 1480mm F6.3 with Reducer/Corrector f/6.3 . Originally posted by jogiba I think I will try my Celestron 9.25 with F6.3 focal reducer to get 1480mm @F6.3 with my K-7. Now you get an idea about how much SLR eyepieces really suck. A decent ocular has a so-called "high exit pupil" which doesn't force you to press the eye against the VF at all. And it would allow full 1.53x magnification even at 100% coverage! We don't get it because we aren't demanding it ...

07-30-2009, 02:27 PM	#30
ryan s Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Madison, WI Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,383	An extended eyepiece wouldn't do much for those of us with glasses AND our "family noses" since I would take smears on the screen any day over smears on my glasses. Why? The coating on my glasses make them impossible to clean without spray and a certain kind of cleaning cloth. Camera stuff doesn't work...already tried. The screen protector is tough...I can just use my shirt on it. Also develop a head tilt...it helps a little. My buttons get full of oil but oh well. At least no buttons can be pushed on the K-7...can't count the times I've hit the Menu button with my nose. Plus I hold the camera tight to my nose for some reason...it is what it is... PS...why is this in the News section?

My main K7 complaint...

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