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07-28-2009, 01:21 PM   #1
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It appears as though my K10D is down a pixel. Is this a common problem? I've had it for about 1.5 years with zero problems. But on a recent vacation i noticed a white spot in the same place in every frame. Could this be sensor dust? Or since it is white would it be more likely that this is a dead pixel?

If dead pixel...any way to remedy this problem? You simply can't tell in any full size images that there is a dead pixel...it just bums me out

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In my experience with my *istD dead, or hot, pixels develop over time. You can send your K10D to Pentax to get the defective pixel mapped out, or you can shoot raw and the raw converter will map them out. I consider you very fortunate if you have just one by the way.

From the K20 the user can map out dead pixels which saves the trip to Pentax.
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Google the term "dead pixel" or "hot pixel". Pretty much all cameras have them or will get them over time. Good RAW processing programs will remove them in processing. Newer camera models have a facility in the camera to remove them in the in-camera processing as well. But it's still very common for images to have a few.
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thanks guys...i'm definitely less bummed now!

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LCD's get 'em too. Somewhere, I read that you can sometimes get rid of an LCD's hot pixel by mashing on it with your thumb. I had a laptop with one hot pixel, but it didn't work. Later, it developed another, I tried it again, and imagine my surprise when it actually went away!

(No, I'm not suggesting that you mash on your sensor, or that it would even remotely work.)
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QuoteOriginally posted by DanLoc78 Quote
It appears as though my K10D is down a pixel. Is this a common problem? I've had it for about 1.5 years with zero problems. But on a recent vacation i noticed a white spot in the same place in every frame. Could this be sensor dust? Or since it is white would it be more likely that this is a dead pixel?

If dead pixel...any way to remedy this problem? You simply can't tell in any full size images that there is a dead pixel...it just bums me out
My K20D has very recently started displaying hot pixels. Pixel peeping RAWs going back, I found that this begun (for no known reason) about 3 months ago.

The worrying part is that the problem seems like the hot pixel problem is spreading. Now I am counting a consistent 20 bad pixels (on all exposures) and my camera shutter count is under 8000. I know I can map out the dead pixels but the problem isn't actually seriously affecting my photos yet.
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My k200d had few of them straight out of the box. It is nothing to be worried about in a non scientific grade sensor (read some Kodak sensor data sheets to find out reasonable/tolerable values).

The only thing to worry about is their effect on pictures and possibility to map them out.
Unless your sensor is rapidly gaining them which could lead to complete degradation and indicate a faulty sensor just map them out.

Those images seem to be somewhat noisy. I always get more than those few constant hot pixels at high iso's or with longer exposures, if noise reduction (hi iso) or dark frame subtraction (long exp.) is off. At iso200, 30s DFS and NR off i expect them all over the frame, most of them being very bright (will add a picture later).

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QuoteOriginally posted by ytterbium Quote
My k200d had few of them straight out of the box. It is nothing to be worried about in a non scientific grade sensor (read some Kodak sensor data sheets to find out reasonable/tolerable values).

The only thing to worry about is their effect on pictures and possibility to map them out.
Unless your sensor is rapidly gaining them which could lead to complete degradation and indicate a faulty sensor just map them out.

Those images seem to be somewhat noisy. I always get more than those few constant hot pixels at high iso's or with longer exposures, if noise reduction (hi iso) or dark frame subtraction (long exp.) is off. At iso200, 30s DFS and NR off i expect them all over the frame, most of them being very bright (will add a picture later).
The 100% is from ISO 400 and 1/250 sec.

Most of the time, the hot pixels blend into the photo so I am not concerned (as long as it doesn't spread). The persistent ones (with the arrows) do appear at all ISO's.
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what does it mean exactly to 'map them out'?
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QuoteOriginally posted by DanLoc78 Quote
what does it mean exactly to 'map them out'?
It means to perform some sort of process that recognizes the bad pixels and performs some sort of software magic to make them not show in the final image. Many RAW processors do this automatically - they notice the bad pixel and ignore it when creating the image. Some might have a mode where you teach the program where the hot pixels are rather than having the software notice them automatically. Some cameras have a built-in facility to do this themselves (K20D and later) - you run the facility from the menu, and it finds the bad pixels. Or you can send a camera in for repair. and the service center has a special program they can use to make older cameras do this too. So that the bad pixel will simply be ignored in constructing your image (and the software that creates the image from the RAW data know to fill in the hole with something reasonable, like the value of the neighboring pixels). I'm not sure how much Pentax would charge to map out bad pixels on a K10D, but if it's just one, again, I wouldn't worry - most camera will have a dozen within a couple of years. If your RAW processing program won't remove them for you, or if you won't shoot RAW, I'd wait until you have a whole bunch of them before putting out the money to.
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well I've done some night photography and some very long exposures recently and I've noticed a significant number of what appear to be dead pixels. Way too many to be using the PS spot healing brush. Anyone have any clue what it might cost to have them mapped out by Pentax?
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Wow you guys have really good eyes to spot such a small dot, it's hard for me to see much but I can see it when I stare hard enough.
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QuoteOriginally posted by DanLoc78 Quote
well I've done some night photography and some very long exposures recently and I've noticed a significant number of what appear to be dead pixels. Way too many to be using the PS spot healing brush. Anyone have any clue what it might cost to have them mapped out by Pentax?
No, but you don't want to map out pixels that only show problems (most likely hot, not dead) when doing long exposures. It's pretty normal for otherwise healthy pixels to go hot on long exposures, as the sensor tends to overheat. That's why the Slow Shutter Speed NR option exists in your camera - so the camera can take a second (blank) exposure right after the first, see which pixels go hot, and map them out for you on that shot only. Mapping them out permanently is unnecessary, since they still work fine at normal shutter speeds.

Also, as I said, most RAW software can map out dead or hot pixels automatically - no reason to resort to spot healing them manually!
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My K10D will be 2 years old at the end of the month. I have some 6-8 hot pixels, and they've been there a while. I shoot RAW, so I don't worry about them. I'm sure many new cameras have a hot/dead pixel or two (or more).

By the way...
  • Hot pixel: Will normally shine bright red, green or blue, independently of the colours surrounding it. Usually brighter the longer the exposure or higher the ISO. Also, the longer the exposure and or higher the ISO, the more hot pixels you will see, but some will be there no matter how short the exposure or low the ISO; these are generally termed stuck pixels.
  • Dead pixel: Will be black always, independently of the colours surrounding it. This is less frequently visible because images are created by demosaicing the RGB Bayer array of pixels on your sensor, so a single dead pixel gets averaged out. You would likely need a trio of red, green and blue adjacent pixels to show a black pixel in your image.
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I promised an example. Well not quite matching your situation (i had a long exposure), but still you can see that there is a fair amount of them and this is completely expectable when not using dark frame subtraction:

Had a look at the pictures back before i mapped out hot pixels. Well it seems i've been lying a bit and there was only one stuck pixel out of the box. After mapping there are only hot pixels that appear on longer exposures or just faint hints of them in shorter exposures.

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