Wow...GX-10 is dead?

creampuff · 07-30-2009, 03:35 PM

GLXLR, sorry but I cannot help but be amazed at your stupidity in doing what you did. Water and optics and electronics are not a compatible combination. Weather resistant does not mean waterproof.

I hope you didn't take inspiration from the thread starter of an earlier thread, a blur student newbie who's Youtube posting is a big joke where I am...

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/66782-do-you-care-...signments.html

GLXLR · 07-30-2009, 04:45 PM

New discovery*

After leaving the lens in rice for a while, I noticed the 2nd or 3rd element has been covered by a watery mist (about 1/3-1/4 of the element).

I also noticed the 2nd or 3rd last element is COMPLETELY covered in mist too. I'll keep leaving it in the rice and hope for the best...

nostatic · 07-30-2009, 05:03 PM

I would just like to say that I LOVE this thread.

GLXLR · 07-30-2009, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by creampuff

GLXLR, sorry but I cannot help but be amazed at your stupidity in doing what you did. Water and optics and electronics are not a compatible combination. Weather resistant does not mean waterproof.

I hope you didn't take inspiration from the thread starter of an earlier thread, a blur student newbie who's Youtube posting is a big joke where I am...

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/66782-do-you-care-...signments.html

I have been doing it for a while... way before that thread...

If you aren't going to give any suggestions on how to fix this problem, please don't post.

Last edited by GLXLR; 07-30-2009 at 05:16 PM.

flyer · 07-30-2009, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by GLXLR

(hopefully it will still be eatable afterwards.

The rice or the lens?

creampuff · 07-30-2009, 05:20 PM

Send it immediately to a Pentax repair facility to have the lens opened up and thoroughly dried up. That's the only way this lens will be salvageable imo. Expect to fork out some money because a disassembly will require the lens elements to be collimated and recalibrated. Whether or not the lens can be fixed, this is a costly lesson for you. Good luck.

GLXLR · 07-30-2009, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by creampuff

Send it immediately to a Pentax repair facility to have the lens opened up and thoroughly dried up. That's the only way this lens will be salvageable imo. Expect to fork out some money because a disassembly will require the lens elements to be collimated and recalibrated. Whether or not the lens can be fixed, this is a costly lesson for you. Good luck.

Someone had their Tamron 70-200mm take a dump in a lake, still under warranty, and had their's fixed.

At least mine was just a stream of tap water. Still under warranty and 10 days old.

bobloadmire · 07-30-2009, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by Lowell Goudge

if you want to recover this leave it in the sun, with all covers open, and I suggest upside down, since it is likely water went int he top, probably around the flash, which should be opened for the dry out/

take the batteries out and let it bake. 1-2 days.

put the batteries in and try.

I have my *istD get saturated when a kayak got swamped, did the same thing for 4 hours, and it has worked perfectly for over 5 years.

Just make real sure it is dry.

once done drying out if it still works, store it with several bags of silica gell, to really dry it out.

Your experience does however, make me wonder, .....
but I'll leave my criticism's for the moment

No Damnit! do not tell anyone to leave anything in the sun, or blow dry it with hot air. HEAT CAN DAMAGE, WARP AND BREAK CIRCUIT BOARDS!

especially when the temperature change is fast, and its wet. huge temp changes in this condition can be fatal.

PUT IT IN RICE, DO NOT HEAT, ASK ME HOW I KNOW

bobloadmire · 07-30-2009, 05:48 PM

i have never cleaned DA* lense, but i did get my cheap DA 18-55 II drenched in sea water. fogged up all of the optics permanantly. I dunked it in purified water for a couple of hours, and shook it around gently to circulate the water, and then put in a bag of rice for 3 days. Good as new afterwards. I;m not sure how the DA* would react with the weather seals, but if the only other option is a dead lens, its worth a shot. Purified water dries clear with no spots.

**Lowell Goudge** · 07-30-2009, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by bobloadmire

No Damnit! do not tell anyone to leave anything in the sun, or blow dry it with hot air. HEAT CAN DAMAGE, WARP AND BREAK CIRCUIT BOARDS!

especially when the temperature change is fast.

PUT IT IN RICE, DO NOT HEAT, ASK ME HOW I KNOW

No need to shout, however please note.

most electronics components are designed to cope with unconrtolled shipping temperatures of at least 60C because otherwise nothing could be delivered to anyone in working order.

I am not talking about exposure to oven temperatures, but to allow the camera to warm up naturally with all covers open so that moisture can excape.

nostatic · 07-30-2009, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by Lowell Goudge

most electronics components are designed to cope with unconrtolled shipping temperatures of at least 60C because otherwise nothing could be delivered to anyone in working order.

hey, maybe this explains the K7 green line

(ducking)

GLXLR · 07-30-2009, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by bobloadmire

No Damnit! do not tell anyone to leave anything in the sun, or blow dry it with hot air. HEAT CAN DAMAGE, WARP AND BREAK CIRCUIT BOARDS!

especially when the temperature change is fast, and its wet. huge temp changes in this condition can be fatal.

PUT IT IN RICE, DO NOT HEAT, ASK ME HOW I KNOW

lolol I only put the lens outside, not the body!

**Lowell Goudge** · 07-30-2009, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by nostatic

hey, maybe this explains the K7 green line

(ducking)

maybe maybe not, but have you ever seen a UPS van air conditioned. They sit in the sun for hours and temperatures easily exceed 60 C for extended periods.

how did you say your camera arrived, Oh that's right, UPS

tigrebleu · 07-30-2009, 06:20 PM

Seals are good for a certain time... but not forever.

Most need to be changed every 2-5 years, depending on the size and type of seals. Waterprooof digicam may require changing seals every year or every other year.

Still, soaking your DSLR under so much water sure didn't do good.

Hope it gets dry and works again. If it doesnt, send it to Samsung for an evaluation. It could be repaired, maybe.

GLXLR · 07-30-2009, 06:29 PM

I definitely learned my lesson lol.
It has worked fine for over a year with me washing it with water tinkling down the sink, but I guess that tub water is just too much for a camera.

I keep checking up on the lens and discovered that the rice treatment is working! the moisture is moving out from the inner parts of the lens (glass elements) and now is working it's way up to the distance scale (IOW, the glass elements are clean!!!).
I will test the body either tomorrow or after tomorrow. I'll keep you guys posted!

And again, thanks for MOST of the inputs.

07-30-2009, 05:43 PM	#23
bobloadmire Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 50	Originally posted by Lowell Goudge if you want to recover this leave it in the sun, with all covers open, and I suggest upside down, since it is likely water went int he top, probably around the flash, which should be opened for the dry out/ take the batteries out and let it bake. 1-2 days. put the batteries in and try. I have my istD get saturated when a kayak got swamped, did the same thing for 4 hours, and it has worked perfectly for over 5 years. Just make real sure it is dry. once done drying out if it still works, store it with several bags of silica gell, to really dry it out. Your experience does however, make me wonder, ..... but I'll leave my criticism's for the moment No Damnit! do not tell anyone to leave anything in the sun, or blow dry it with hot air. HEAT CAN DAMAGE, WARP AND BREAK CIRCUIT BOARDS! especially when the temperature change is fast, and its wet. huge temp changes in this condition can be fatal. PUT IT IN RICE, DO NOT HEAT, ASK ME HOW I KNOW* Last edited by bobloadmire; 07-30-2009 at 05:50 PM.

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07-30-2009, 03:35 PM	#16
creampuff Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,953	GLXLR, sorry but I cannot help but be amazed at your stupidity in doing what you did. Water and optics and electronics are not a compatible combination. Weather resistant does not mean waterproof. I hope you didn't take inspiration from the thread starter of an earlier thread, a blur student newbie who's Youtube posting is a big joke where I am... https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/66782-do-you-care-...signments.html

07-30-2009, 04:45 PM	#17
GLXLR Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Sugar Land, TX Photos: Gallery Posts: 684 Original Poster	New discovery* After leaving the lens in rice for a while, I noticed the 2nd or 3rd element has been covered by a watery mist (about 1/3-1/4 of the element). I also noticed the 2nd or 3rd last element is COMPLETELY covered in mist too. I'll keep leaving it in the rice and hope for the best...

07-30-2009, 05:03 PM	#18
nostatic Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: socal Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,575	I would just like to say that I LOVE this thread.

07-30-2009, 05:04 PM	#19
GLXLR Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Sugar Land, TX Photos: Gallery Posts: 684 Original Poster	Originally posted by creampuff GLXLR, sorry but I cannot help but be amazed at your stupidity in doing what you did. Water and optics and electronics are not a compatible combination. Weather resistant does not mean waterproof. I hope you didn't take inspiration from the thread starter of an earlier thread, a blur student newbie who's Youtube posting is a big joke where I am... https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/66782-do-you-care-...signments.html I have been doing it for a while... way before that thread... If you aren't going to give any suggestions on how to fix this problem, please don't post. Last edited by GLXLR; 07-30-2009 at 05:16 PM.

07-30-2009, 05:13 PM	#20
flyer Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ste-Anne des Plaines, Qc., Canada Posts: 2,013	Originally posted by GLXLR (hopefully it will still be eatable afterwards. The rice or the lens?

07-30-2009, 05:20 PM	#21
creampuff Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,953	Send it immediately to a Pentax repair facility to have the lens opened up and thoroughly dried up. That's the only way this lens will be salvageable imo. Expect to fork out some money because a disassembly will require the lens elements to be collimated and recalibrated. Whether or not the lens can be fixed, this is a costly lesson for you. Good luck.

07-30-2009, 05:25 PM	#22
GLXLR Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Sugar Land, TX Photos: Gallery Posts: 684 Original Poster	Originally posted by creampuff Send it immediately to a Pentax repair facility to have the lens opened up and thoroughly dried up. That's the only way this lens will be salvageable imo. Expect to fork out some money because a disassembly will require the lens elements to be collimated and recalibrated. Whether or not the lens can be fixed, this is a costly lesson for you. Good luck. Someone had their Tamron 70-200mm take a dump in a lake, still under warranty, and had their's fixed. At least mine was just a stream of tap water. Still under warranty and 10 days old.

07-30-2009, 05:48 PM	#24
bobloadmire Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 50	i have never cleaned DA* lense, but i did get my cheap DA 18-55 II drenched in sea water. fogged up all of the optics permanantly. I dunked it in purified water for a couple of hours, and shook it around gently to circulate the water, and then put in a bag of rice for 3 days. Good as new afterwards. I;m not sure how the DA* would react with the weather seals, but if the only other option is a dead lens, its worth a shot. Purified water dries clear with no spots.

07-30-2009, 05:51 PM	#25
Lowell Goudge Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,891	Originally posted by bobloadmire No Damnit! do not tell anyone to leave anything in the sun, or blow dry it with hot air. HEAT CAN DAMAGE, WARP AND BREAK CIRCUIT BOARDS! especially when the temperature change is fast. PUT IT IN RICE, DO NOT HEAT, ASK ME HOW I KNOW No need to shout, however please note. most electronics components are designed to cope with unconrtolled shipping temperatures of at least 60C because otherwise nothing could be delivered to anyone in working order. I am not talking about exposure to oven temperatures, but to allow the camera to warm up naturally with all covers open so that moisture can excape.

07-30-2009, 06:00 PM	#26
nostatic Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: socal Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,575	Originally posted by Lowell Goudge most electronics components are designed to cope with unconrtolled shipping temperatures of at least 60C because otherwise nothing could be delivered to anyone in working order. hey, maybe this explains the K7 green line (ducking)

07-30-2009, 06:01 PM	#27
GLXLR Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Sugar Land, TX Photos: Gallery Posts: 684 Original Poster	Originally posted by bobloadmire No Damnit! do not tell anyone to leave anything in the sun, or blow dry it with hot air. HEAT CAN DAMAGE, WARP AND BREAK CIRCUIT BOARDS! especially when the temperature change is fast, and its wet. huge temp changes in this condition can be fatal. PUT IT IN RICE, DO NOT HEAT, ASK ME HOW I KNOW lolol I only put the lens outside, not the body!

07-30-2009, 06:13 PM	#28
Lowell Goudge Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,891	Originally posted by nostatic hey, maybe this explains the K7 green line (ducking) maybe maybe not, but have you ever seen a UPS van air conditioned. They sit in the sun for hours and temperatures easily exceed 60 C for extended periods. how did you say your camera arrived, Oh that's right, UPS

07-30-2009, 06:20 PM	#29
tigrebleu Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Lévis, Canada (Québec) Posts: 144	Seals are good for a certain time... but not forever. Most need to be changed every 2-5 years, depending on the size and type of seals. Waterprooof digicam may require changing seals every year or every other year. Still, soaking your DSLR under so much water sure didn't do good. Hope it gets dry and works again. If it doesnt, send it to Samsung for an evaluation. It could be repaired, maybe.

07-30-2009, 06:29 PM	#30
GLXLR Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Sugar Land, TX Photos: Gallery Posts: 684 Original Poster	I definitely learned my lesson lol. It has worked fine for over a year with me washing it with water tinkling down the sink, but I guess that tub water is just too much for a camera. I keep checking up on the lens and discovered that the rice treatment is working! the moisture is moving out from the inner parts of the lens (glass elements) and now is working it's way up to the distance scale (IOW, the glass elements are clean!!!). I will test the body either tomorrow or after tomorrow. I'll keep you guys posted! And again, thanks for MOST of the inputs.