K10d shake reduction

Dave Lee · 05-24-2007, 11:53 AM

Hello all,

I just bought a K10d, upgrading from a Sony H1. On the sony I would leave image stabilization on most of the time, and had no problems. With the K10D, if I shoot at higher speeds with SR on, I get quite a few fuzzy pictures. With SR off, it seems that I have much more success getting sharp images.

Should the shake reduction on the K10D be turned off until it is needed?

Thanks,

Dave

Mr CJ · 05-24-2007, 12:09 PM

I leave SR on all the time. I even leave it on while panning. Most people suggest turning it off while panning but I have not noticed anything in my pictures that says I should turn it off.

**igowerf** · 05-24-2007, 12:26 PM

I haven't really researched it, but from what I've briefly read, Sony's shake reduction works a little better than Pentax's. Unfortunately, I don't remember where I read that.

It might just be a mental thing where you relax too much when SR is turned on.

jena · 05-24-2007, 12:36 PM

I also leave my SR turned on at all times and have no problems with it. However I have also changed from the Sony Alpha to the Pentax and have found that the SR system is not quite as effective as the Sony system. However, having said that, I am really very pleased with the Pentax (which I bought after the Sony met a painful end on a glacier

)

Karen

mcleoud151 · 05-24-2007, 12:45 PM

I leave mine off all the time unless it's necessary. I figure it's just one more piece of electronics between me and the scene I'm trying to capture, and trying to figure out what I am trying to do.

cbrfreak · 05-24-2007, 12:45 PM

I used an H1 until I bought the K10 also. The shake reduction works miles better on the Sony but I haven't noticed the Pentax shake reduction adding blurriness in any of my shots.

Dave Lee · 05-24-2007, 01:07 PM

Thanks for the replies, everyone. I am going to experiment when I get home. Hopefully It's not a defective body.

jeda · 05-29-2007, 12:41 AM

I have been using the ist DL for two years now and recently got a K100D for testing.
After taking about 100 pictures outdoors with SR on, and watching the pictures on my laptop, I had the impression that pictures were less sharp than on my DL.

I use a Sigma 17-70 lens, so at first I thought the K100D was allergic to this lens.

Then I did a test with the two camera's on a tripod and the Pentax kit-lens (the 18-55).
I took several pictures of the same object - a roof in front with a landscape behind, with both cameras and for the K100D with SR on and off.

Strangely indeed, it seemed that pictures with SR on were a bit less sharp than with SR off !
Then comparing with the ist DL, these pictures were even sharper !

So I think it would be better not to use the SR unless you are shooting in very poor lightconditions.

You probably will gain on batterypower not using the SR...

And then, why should Pentax put a knob on the unit for turning it of, if there would not be any reasen to turn SR off ?

Conclusion : Turn SR off if you don't need it.

Because of the other improvements on the K10D (especially the flash that goes higher than on the DL), I retuned the K100D I had for testing and ordered a K10D.
Probably I won't be using the SR at all ;-)

-spam- · 05-29-2007, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by jeda

Then I did a test with the two camera's on a tripod and the Pentax kit-lens (the 18-55).
I took several pictures of the same object - a roof in front with a landscape behind, with both cameras and for the K100D with SR on and off.

Strangely indeed, it seemed that pictures with SR on were a bit less sharp than with SR off !
Then comparing with the ist DL, these pictures were even sharper !

Pretty sure that the manual tells you to turn it off if you are using a tripod. Thats usually the go for any form of image stabilisation as it will tend to hunt for movement and potentially leave you with some slightly blurry images.

And, i swore i read somewhere that the shake reduction in the sony alpha was next to useless

jeda · 05-29-2007, 01:11 AM

Using the tripod was for testing. I wouldn't use SR with a tripod in normal conditions - exept if you had a very bad tripod

Anyway, results showed that you should turn it off when not needed - or even better : only turn it on when you really need that extra step down "in the dark"...

*isteve · 05-29-2007, 01:52 AM

WAIT until the shakey hand sign in the VF comes on.

Also, at high shutter speeds, it doesnt help much so you may as well turn it off.

Dave Lee · 05-29-2007, 06:56 AM

I have been using the camera most of the time with the SR off, and it works flawlessly. I still haven't decided if it is defective, or if the sony was that much better. I need to make time to go back to the store and do some comparing.

I never expected that I would hope that the shake reduction just sucks, but after only about 10 days with this camera, I hate having to send it out for repairs!

rboy · 05-29-2007, 07:13 AM

Originally posted by jena

I am really very pleased with the Pentax (which I bought after the Sony met a painful end on a glacier

)

I hope it wasn't the 70 decibel Sony shutter that triggered a landslide : 0

(Trying to figure out which smiley to put here. I'm making a joke about the Sony's loud shutter but I feel your pain about the demise of your camera. Mother Nature trumps all.)

Mr CJ · 05-29-2007, 07:16 AM

Originally posted by jeda

I have been using the ist DL for two years now and recently got a K100D for testing.
After taking about 100 pictures outdoors with SR on, and watching the pictures on my laptop, I had the impression that pictures were less sharp than on my DL.

I use a Sigma 17-70 lens, so at first I thought the K100D was allergic to this lens.

Then I did a test with the two camera's on a tripod and the Pentax kit-lens (the 18-55).
I took several pictures of the same object - a roof in front with a landscape behind, with both cameras and for the K100D with SR on and off.

Strangely indeed, it seemed that pictures with SR on were a bit less sharp than with SR off !
Then comparing with the ist DL, these pictures were even sharper !

So I think it would be better not to use the SR unless you are shooting in very poor lightconditions.

You probably will gain on batterypower not using the SR...

And then, why should Pentax put a knob on the unit for turning it of, if there would not be any reasen to turn SR off ?

Conclusion : Turn SR off if you don't need it.

Because of the other improvements on the K10D (especially the flash that goes higher than on the DL), I retuned the K100D I had for testing and ordered a K10D.
Probably I won't be using the SR at all ;-)

I wouldn't say that SR is making the images less sharp. Especially when comparing to a DL. I have a DL and that camera produces some VERY sharp images. Much more sharper than my K10.

Dr_Watso · 05-29-2007, 07:16 AM

It took me a few shoots to get the hang of using the SR, but I thought the same when I upgraded from my DL too.

05-24-2007, 11:53 AM	#1
Dave Lee Forum Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Monroe, MI USA Posts: 58	K10d shake reduction Hello all, I just bought a K10d, upgrading from a Sony H1. On the sony I would leave image stabilization on most of the time, and had no problems. With the K10D, if I shoot at higher speeds with SR on, I get quite a few fuzzy pictures. With SR off, it seems that I have much more success getting sharp images. Should the shake reduction on the K10D be turned off until it is needed? Thanks, Dave

05-29-2007, 12:41 AM	#8
jeda New Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Belgium Photos: Gallery Posts: 15	Similar problem with K100D I have been using the ist DL for two years now and recently got a K100D for testing. After taking about 100 pictures outdoors with SR on, and watching the pictures on my laptop, I had the impression that pictures were less sharp than on my DL. I use a Sigma 17-70 lens, so at first I thought the K100D was allergic to this lens. Then I did a test with the two camera's on a tripod and the Pentax kit-lens (the 18-55). I took several pictures of the same object - a roof in front with a landscape behind, with both cameras and for the K100D with SR on and off. Strangely indeed, it seemed that pictures with SR on were a bit less sharp than with SR off ! Then comparing with the ist DL, these pictures were even sharper ! So I think it would be better not to use the SR unless you are shooting in very poor lightconditions. You probably will gain on batterypower not using the SR... And then, why should Pentax put a knob on the unit for turning it of, if there would not be any reasen to turn SR off ? Conclusion : Turn SR off if you don't need it. Because of the other improvements on the K10D (especially the flash that goes higher than on the DL), I retuned the K100D I had for testing and ordered a K10D. Probably I won't be using the SR at all ;-)

05-29-2007, 01:52 AM	#11
*isteve Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: London, England Posts: 1,187	Technique when using SR.... WAIT until the shakey hand sign in the VF comes on. Also, at high shutter speeds, it doesnt help much so you may as well turn it off.

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05-24-2007, 12:09 PM	#2
Mr CJ Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: San Diego, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 94	I leave SR on all the time. I even leave it on while panning. Most people suggest turning it off while panning but I have not noticed anything in my pictures that says I should turn it off.

05-24-2007, 12:26 PM	#3
igowerf Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 486	I haven't really researched it, but from what I've briefly read, Sony's shake reduction works a little better than Pentax's. Unfortunately, I don't remember where I read that. It might just be a mental thing where you relax too much when SR is turned on.

05-24-2007, 12:36 PM	#4
jena Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Melbourne Photos: Gallery Posts: 48	I also leave my SR turned on at all times and have no problems with it. However I have also changed from the Sony Alpha to the Pentax and have found that the SR system is not quite as effective as the Sony system. However, having said that, I am really very pleased with the Pentax (which I bought after the Sony met a painful end on a glacier ) Karen

05-24-2007, 12:45 PM	#5
mcleoud151 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Oregon Coast Photos: Gallery Posts: 272	I leave mine off all the time unless it's necessary. I figure it's just one more piece of electronics between me and the scene I'm trying to capture, and trying to figure out what I am trying to do.

05-24-2007, 12:45 PM	#6
cbrfreak Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Oregon Photos: Gallery Posts: 46	I used an H1 until I bought the K10 also. The shake reduction works miles better on the Sony but I haven't noticed the Pentax shake reduction adding blurriness in any of my shots.

05-24-2007, 01:07 PM	#7
Dave Lee Forum Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Monroe, MI USA Posts: 58 Original Poster	Thanks for the replies, everyone. I am going to experiment when I get home. Hopefully It's not a defective body.

05-29-2007, 01:02 AM	#9
-spam- Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 354	Originally posted by jeda Then I did a test with the two camera's on a tripod and the Pentax kit-lens (the 18-55). I took several pictures of the same object - a roof in front with a landscape behind, with both cameras and for the K100D with SR on and off. Strangely indeed, it seemed that pictures with SR on were a bit less sharp than with SR off ! Then comparing with the ist DL, these pictures were even sharper ! Pretty sure that the manual tells you to turn it off if you are using a tripod. Thats usually the go for any form of image stabilisation as it will tend to hunt for movement and potentially leave you with some slightly blurry images. And, i swore i read somewhere that the shake reduction in the sony alpha was next to useless

05-29-2007, 01:11 AM	#10
jeda New Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Belgium Photos: Gallery Posts: 15	Using the tripod was for testing. I wouldn't use SR with a tripod in normal conditions - exept if you had a very bad tripod Anyway, results showed that you should turn it off when not needed - or even better : only turn it on when you really need that extra step down "in the dark"...

05-29-2007, 06:56 AM	#12
Dave Lee Forum Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Monroe, MI USA Posts: 58 Original Poster	I have been using the camera most of the time with the SR off, and it works flawlessly. I still haven't decided if it is defective, or if the sony was that much better. I need to make time to go back to the store and do some comparing. I never expected that I would hope that the shake reduction just sucks, but after only about 10 days with this camera, I hate having to send it out for repairs!

05-29-2007, 07:13 AM	#13
rboy New Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 15	Originally posted by jena I am really very pleased with the Pentax (which I bought after the Sony met a painful end on a glacier ) I hope it wasn't the 70 decibel Sony shutter that triggered a landslide : 0 (Trying to figure out which smiley to put here. I'm making a joke about the Sony's loud shutter but I feel your pain about the demise of your camera. Mother Nature trumps all.)

05-29-2007, 07:16 AM	#14
Mr CJ Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: San Diego, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 94	Originally posted by jeda I have been using the ist DL for two years now and recently got a K100D for testing. After taking about 100 pictures outdoors with SR on, and watching the pictures on my laptop, I had the impression that pictures were less sharp than on my DL. I use a Sigma 17-70 lens, so at first I thought the K100D was allergic to this lens. Then I did a test with the two camera's on a tripod and the Pentax kit-lens (the 18-55). I took several pictures of the same object - a roof in front with a landscape behind, with both cameras and for the K100D with SR on and off. Strangely indeed, it seemed that pictures with SR on were a bit less sharp than with SR off ! Then comparing with the ist DL, these pictures were even sharper ! So I think it would be better not to use the SR unless you are shooting in very poor lightconditions. You probably will gain on batterypower not using the SR... And then, why should Pentax put a knob on the unit for turning it of, if there would not be any reasen to turn SR off ? Conclusion : Turn SR off if you don't need it. Because of the other improvements on the K10D (especially the flash that goes higher than on the DL), I retuned the K100D I had for testing and ordered a K10D. Probably I won't be using the SR at all ;-) I wouldn't say that SR is making the images less sharp. Especially when comparing to a DL. I have a DL and that camera produces some VERY sharp images. Much more sharper than my K10.

05-29-2007, 07:16 AM	#15
Dr_Watso Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 65	It took me a few shoots to get the hang of using the SR, but I thought the same when I upgraded from my DL too.