New K-x owner impressions and sample images

rawr · 10-25-2009, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by h734790

Wao! Can we see a bigger version of that ISO 12800 shot? Or at least a 100% crop?

The following crops were straight out of Irfanview. I just used IrfanView to open both the in-camera produced JPG, and to open the DNG.

The crops reveal a lot of detail. Even in the JPG. I can just about make out the brand of his instrument.

In camera produced JPG:

Un-processed DNG (IrfanView has default rendered it a bit darker than the JPG):

FWIW. Your mileage may vary etc.

h734790 · 10-25-2009, 01:29 AM

Thank you! This camera really seems to be a winner in high ISO performance.

68deluxe · 10-25-2009, 01:50 AM

Originally posted by rawr

The crops reveal a lot of detail. Even in the JPG. I can just about make out the brand of his instrument.

fantastic!

Epiphone by the way!!

ogl · 10-25-2009, 03:59 AM

Originally posted by Marc Sabatella

Iif you generally prefer your pictures with greater saturation and contrast than the defaults

Maybe you have any info if Pentax has plans to offer something
between K-7 and K-x?
K-x with WR and some features from K-7?

68deluxe · 10-25-2009, 04:10 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Maybe you have any info if Pentax has plans to offer something
between K-7 and K-x?
K-x with WR and some features from K-7?

That would probably make the "inbetween" camera BETTER than the K-7. Why would Pentax want to do that. Wait for the K-7 replaceplacement.

Imagine if there was a K-x with weathersealing, autofocus indicators, and twin dials. Priced slap bang in the middle of K-x and K-7. Who would buy the K-7? no one.

ogl · 10-25-2009, 05:02 AM

Originally posted by 68deluxe

That would probably make the "inbetween" camera BETTER than the K-7. Why would Pentax want to do that. Wait for the K-7 replaceplacement.

K200D has AF indicators, WR and 1 dial.

68deluxe · 10-25-2009, 05:53 AM

Originally posted by ogl

K200D has AF indicators, WR and 1 dial.

ok so you'd be happy for them to remove live view, video, superb high iso ability, and faster burst speed in continuous shooting?

You don't get it, there has to be SOME sacrifice.

**Aristophanes** · 10-27-2009, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by 68deluxe

ok so you'd be happy for them to remove live view, video, superb high iso ability, and faster burst speed in continuous shooting?

You don't get it, there has to be SOME sacrifice.

No there doesn't. Look at the competition. At the same price point, what did they remove as a feature from their previous model? Please provide a list of features that were taken away from the Canon T1i and Nikon D5000 from the Xsi and D60.

This is why Pentax struggles to retain customers: it hasn't got upgrade paths nor consistency in its model line-up. The competition meanwhile, examines price points, and does incremental improvements, moving new tech down the price point ladder with each new model release. Pentax reinvents itself with every new model, disappointing many who leave the brand, effectively treading water with market share and profile.

This forum is full of disappointments about the lack of direction for the brand. It's Pentax's major business flaw. Now you have an entire thread here saying how the K-x has a better sensor than the K-7! What's a researching newbie or switcher to think? It's a brand hard to build trust with and synchronize expectations, terrific legacy and engineering aside. It plays right into Canikon hands, undermining known Pentax advantages: we've gone from inexpensive excellent glass, to expensive glass, but inexpensive, well-appoineted bodies……all in the space of 7 months.

Eruditass · 10-27-2009, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by 68deluxe

ok so you'd be happy for them to remove live view, video, superb high iso ability, and faster burst speed in continuous shooting?

You don't get it, there has to be SOME sacrifice.

Pentax has said this is an entry level replacement for K-m. Now this still doesn't mean there WILL be a K200D replacement.

deadwolfbones · 10-27-2009, 08:51 PM

Aristophanes, still laboring under the misconception that the K-x is a K200D replacement?

Please provide a list of features that were taken away from the K-x from the K-m.

ogl · 10-27-2009, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by 68deluxe

ok so you'd be happy for them to remove live view, video, superb high iso ability, and faster burst speed in continuous shooting?

You don't get it, there has to be SOME sacrifice.

burst speed is the same to say honest.

I'm RAW shooter.

As for LV - I don't like it all.

LV and video in camera with AA = headache with power consumption and choosing batteries. Even Energizer Lithium is much weaker in this modes.

It's the biggest mistake. Need compact and small LiOn in small camera with LV and video.

I can say only one - high ISO performance is good. But 90% of my photos at ISO100-400.

rawr · 10-28-2009, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by ogl

...
LV and video in camera with AA = headache with power consumption and choosing batteries. Even Energizer Lithium is much weaker in this modes.

It's the biggest mistake. Need compact and small LiOn in small camera with LV and video.

Yes, I am not a fan of LiveView either. Handy to have, but I have only used it very infrequently. (I bet this is the same with most K-x shooters).

LV and video are certainly power consumption pigs, and suitable only for limited use while on batteries. It's simply unreasonable to expect hours and hours of LV and video out of just 4 AA cells, no matter what the technology.

But the power consumption issue of the K-x on batteries is all relative. The Nikon D5000 and Canon 500D are conventional lithium batteried 'small cameras with LV and video' and apparently only get 510 and 400 shots respectively per charge, according to this report:

Pentax K-x review from TechRadar UK's expert reviews of Digital SLRs

I wouldn't be surprised if even the K7's battery delivered only limited usage time while making heavy use of LV and video. But at least the K7 has a battery pack I guess to help out if you do need the extra power.

**Aristophanes** · 10-28-2009, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by deadwolfbones

Aristophanes, still laboring under the misconception that the K-x is a K200D replacement?

Please provide a list of features that were taken away from the K-x from the K-m.

Tell that to Amazon.com!

This time last year the K200D was the same price point as the K-x. Maybe you don't understand price points, and feature sets therein, but millions of consumers do.

Eruditass · 10-28-2009, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

Tell that to Amazon.com!

This time last year the K200D was the same price point as the K-x. Maybe you don't understand price points, and feature sets therein, but millions of consumers do.

Amazon owns dpreview, who is the only site that incorrectly mentions the K-x as the K200D replacement. There aren't any new entry level bodies cheaper then the K-x

Eruditass · 10-28-2009, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by ogl

burst speed is the same to say honest.

I'm RAW shooter.

4.7 fps in raw, just a small buffer

Quote:

I can say only one - high ISO performance is good. But 90% of my photos at ISO100-400.

I'm new to photography and I like to do everything. Among those is sports (indoor and outdoor) and candids inside, so I will definitely appreciate high iso and fps, so it seems like this camera is perfect for me.

except the white kx.. is not here..

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10-25-2009, 12:55 AM	#76
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913 Original Poster	Originally posted by h734790 Wao! Can we see a bigger version of that ISO 12800 shot? Or at least a 100% crop? The following crops were straight out of Irfanview. I just used IrfanView to open both the in-camera produced JPG, and to open the DNG. The crops reveal a lot of detail. Even in the JPG. I can just about make out the brand of his instrument. In camera produced JPG: Un-processed DNG (IrfanView has default rendered it a bit darker than the JPG): FWIW. Your mileage may vary etc.

10-25-2009, 01:29 AM	#77
h734790 New Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Szeged, Hungary Posts: 19	Thank you! This camera really seems to be a winner in high ISO performance.

10-25-2009, 01:50 AM	#78
68deluxe Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Australia/Africa Posts: 52	Originally posted by rawr The crops reveal a lot of detail. Even in the JPG. I can just about make out the brand of his instrument. fantastic! Epiphone by the way!!

10-25-2009, 03:59 AM	#79
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Marc Sabatella Iif you generally prefer your pictures with greater saturation and contrast than the defaults Maybe you have any info if Pentax has plans to offer something between K-7 and K-x? K-x with WR and some features from K-7?

10-25-2009, 04:10 AM	#80
68deluxe Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Australia/Africa Posts: 52	Originally posted by ogl Maybe you have any info if Pentax has plans to offer something between K-7 and K-x? K-x with WR and some features from K-7? That would probably make the "inbetween" camera BETTER than the K-7. Why would Pentax want to do that. Wait for the K-7 replaceplacement. Imagine if there was a K-x with weathersealing, autofocus indicators, and twin dials. Priced slap bang in the middle of K-x and K-7. Who would buy the K-7? no one.

10-25-2009, 05:02 AM	#81
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by 68deluxe That would probably make the "inbetween" camera BETTER than the K-7. Why would Pentax want to do that. Wait for the K-7 replaceplacement. K200D has AF indicators, WR and 1 dial.

10-25-2009, 05:53 AM	#82
68deluxe Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Australia/Africa Posts: 52	Originally posted by ogl K200D has AF indicators, WR and 1 dial. ok so you'd be happy for them to remove live view, video, superb high iso ability, and faster burst speed in continuous shooting? You don't get it, there has to be SOME sacrifice.

10-27-2009, 06:15 PM	#83
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Originally posted by 68deluxe ok so you'd be happy for them to remove live view, video, superb high iso ability, and faster burst speed in continuous shooting? You don't get it, there has to be SOME sacrifice. No there doesn't. Look at the competition. At the same price point, what did they remove as a feature from their previous model? Please provide a list of features that were taken away from the Canon T1i and Nikon D5000 from the Xsi and D60. This is why Pentax struggles to retain customers: it hasn't got upgrade paths nor consistency in its model line-up. The competition meanwhile, examines price points, and does incremental improvements, moving new tech down the price point ladder with each new model release. Pentax reinvents itself with every new model, disappointing many who leave the brand, effectively treading water with market share and profile. This forum is full of disappointments about the lack of direction for the brand. It's Pentax's major business flaw. Now you have an entire thread here saying how the K-x has a better sensor than the K-7! What's a researching newbie or switcher to think? It's a brand hard to build trust with and synchronize expectations, terrific legacy and engineering aside. It plays right into Canikon hands, undermining known Pentax advantages: we've gone from inexpensive excellent glass, to expensive glass, but inexpensive, well-appoineted bodies……all in the space of 7 months.

10-27-2009, 06:22 PM	#84
Eruditass Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by 68deluxe ok so you'd be happy for them to remove live view, video, superb high iso ability, and faster burst speed in continuous shooting? You don't get it, there has to be SOME sacrifice. Pentax has said this is an entry level replacement for K-m. Now this still doesn't mean there WILL be a K200D replacement.

10-27-2009, 08:51 PM	#85
deadwolfbones Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: La Crescenta, CA Posts: 7,450	Aristophanes, still laboring under the misconception that the K-x is a K200D replacement? Please provide a list of features that were taken away from the K-x from the K-m.

10-27-2009, 09:30 PM	#86
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by 68deluxe ok so you'd be happy for them to remove live view, video, superb high iso ability, and faster burst speed in continuous shooting? You don't get it, there has to be SOME sacrifice. burst speed is the same to say honest. I'm RAW shooter. As for LV - I don't like it all. LV and video in camera with AA = headache with power consumption and choosing batteries. Even Energizer Lithium is much weaker in this modes. It's the biggest mistake. Need compact and small LiOn in small camera with LV and video. I can say only one - high ISO performance is good. But 90% of my photos at ISO100-400.

10-28-2009, 12:20 AM	#87
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913 Original Poster	Originally posted by ogl ... LV and video in camera with AA = headache with power consumption and choosing batteries. Even Energizer Lithium is much weaker in this modes. It's the biggest mistake. Need compact and small LiOn in small camera with LV and video. Yes, I am not a fan of LiveView either. Handy to have, but I have only used it very infrequently. (I bet this is the same with most K-x shooters). LV and video are certainly power consumption pigs, and suitable only for limited use while on batteries. It's simply unreasonable to expect hours and hours of LV and video out of just 4 AA cells, no matter what the technology. But the power consumption issue of the K-x on batteries is all relative. The Nikon D5000 and Canon 500D are conventional lithium batteried 'small cameras with LV and video' and apparently only get 510 and 400 shots respectively per charge, according to this report: Pentax K-x review from TechRadar UK's expert reviews of Digital SLRs I wouldn't be surprised if even the K7's battery delivered only limited usage time while making heavy use of LV and video. But at least the K7 has a battery pack I guess to help out if you do need the extra power.

10-28-2009, 11:03 AM	#88
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Originally posted by deadwolfbones Aristophanes, still laboring under the misconception that the K-x is a K200D replacement? Please provide a list of features that were taken away from the K-x from the K-m. Tell that to Amazon.com! This time last year the K200D was the same price point as the K-x. Maybe you don't understand price points, and feature sets therein, but millions of consumers do.

10-28-2009, 11:07 AM	#89
Eruditass Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by Aristophanes Tell that to Amazon.com! This time last year the K200D was the same price point as the K-x. Maybe you don't understand price points, and feature sets therein, but millions of consumers do. Amazon owns dpreview, who is the only site that incorrectly mentions the K-x as the K200D replacement. There aren't any new entry level bodies cheaper then the K-x

10-28-2009, 11:09 AM	#90
Eruditass Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by ogl burst speed is the same to say honest. I'm RAW shooter. 4.7 fps in raw, just a small buffer Quote: I can say only one - high ISO performance is good. But 90% of my photos at ISO100-400. I'm new to photography and I like to do everything. Among those is sports (indoor and outdoor) and candids inside, so I will definitely appreciate high iso and fps, so it seems like this camera is perfect for me. except the white kx.. is not here..