Originally posted by jsherman999 Maybe you have a very good raw workflow that guarantees that in good lighting, your workflow provides output as good as in-camera jpegs on the K20D (or K-7.)
My workflow is such that whether I shoot RAW or JPEG, the results are pretty much the same. I actually rather prefer the default conversion from ACDSee over the in-camera JPEG from my K200D more often than not, but the differences are small and completely subjective. But more importantly, there is absolutely no difference whatsoever in the amount of work required. So in the cases where I don't wish to do PP, there is no difference at all between JPEG and RAW from my perspective - no advantage one way or the other. In the cases where I *do* wish to PP, there is again no difference whatsoever in amount of effort required, but "sometimes" RAW gives me an advantage in quality. So again, there is absolutely no respect whatsoever in which JPEG provides even the slightest advantage over RAW for me in either quality or effort, but there *is* a respect in which RAW wins on quality. If I ever found an advantage to shooting JPEG, maybe I'd find it worth the extra second it takes to press the RAW button to switch to JPEG in camera, but already, that's more work than it's worth to me.
Quote: I hope you'd agree that my results are not horrid
Understatement of the year! Again, I am not one claiming any sort of quality advantage to RAW except when doing major color or exposure / tone curve adjustments (which I have to do a lot fo in my concert photography). I'm just trying to get people to not think of RAW as being more work, because it need not be.
Quote: My main concern here is not to get raw-exclusive shooters to change, it's to stop them from giving this advice to people: unless you shoot raw all the time, you're not going to get very good results, or if you do, it's just by accident.
And I think you'll see I've never given any such advice. Indeed, I generally am jumping in taking issue with claims that merely shooting RAW gives you better quality when not doing PP, and on more than one occasion have pointed out flaws in workflows that end up nullifying the advantages that RAW *could* provide. BTW, my impression is that using Picasa is one of those "flaws" - it does not actually do true RAW processing, but instead applies all adjustments *post* conversion. So it would indeed be difficult if not to see any advantage from RAW with Picasa, if my understanding is correct.
Anyhow, my point with respect to RAW is that with the right software & workflow, it costs nothing extra to do so. But whether or not there is any *advantage* depends entirely on how often you find yourself doing the specific type of PP where it does matter.
Quote: PS: By the way - you know who has a sub-optimal raw workflow? Ned Bunnell. His blogged images almost always look drab, unsharp, unsatisfying.
I haven't really looked closely enough to say, but overall, I'd agree his images don't impress me as much as yours! On the other hand, I think he is lso trying to walk a fine line between wanting to present images in the best possible light, and wanting to present images that the general public will perceive as not being due to advantageous processing - by presenting default ACR conversions for the most part, he is establish a decent baseline for comparison. But given that he isn't really doing controlled testing, just showing off images, I'd agree they could stand some punching up...