Originally posted by Marc Sabatella And again, I'd summarize the difference in thinking by observing that for me, RAW takes *no more of my time time* than JPEG. And indeed, I can't understand why it ever would. If you're *not* doing PP, RAW is just as fast as JPEG, and if you *are* doing PP, RAW is just as fast as JPEG. Similarly, threre is no difference whatsoever in maintenance. Not sure what you mean by "throughput" in this context, but I'm having trouble imagining any meaning for that term that would mean a win for JPEG. The *only* advantage of JPEG is in disk space, and even that is not a very big difference if you much PP at all, since JPEG generally requires to make a copy of the file if you don't want to overwrite your original, thus eating up much of the savings you might otherwise see (this depends, of cours,e on what software you use and how you use it). But considering tha for $100 I can buy a drive that will hold all the RAW images I shoot for the next 5 years, I just am not that concerned about disk space.
Now, *if* your workflow is such that RAW actually *does* take more time or effort or whatever than JPEG, then there might be incentive to shoot JPEG. In my case, though, the effort it takes to press the RAW button to switch to JPEG means that shooting JPEG is actually *more* work than RA -W - by exactly the amount of effort it took to press the RAW button, since that would be the only difference for me.
So what this leads to is, if you currently have a workflow that makes RAW seem difficult, what's the incentive to change your workflow (and probably software) to one that makes RAW easier? If you're basically happy with the results from JPEG *and* don't often do the kind of PP for which RAW provides a significant win, the answer is, there is no incentive. If on the other hand, you are unhappy with the JPEG output *or* you often do the type of PP for which RAW provides a significant win, then perhaps that would be the incentive one would need to improve one's RAW workflow.
But note that if you often do the type of PP for which RAW provides a significant win - large scale WB changes, curves adjustments, local contrast enhancement, and perhaps NR - than it doesn't *matter* how good the JPEG is. If your world is such that you need to do these sort of adjustments, RAW will still win. If on the other hand you only shoot in controlled lighting situations and thus don't need to alter WB, or seldom wish to exercise your own creative control over curves or local contrast, or rarely shoot in low light situations where you might want control over NR, then JPEG quality would indeed be the determining factor.
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Marc, the type of shooting you usually do - dim concert settings with multicolored stage lighting mixed with tungsten - cries out for raw.
Whenever I'm shooting in situations like that - or really weird/bad lighting in general, I usually shoot raw+. And that adds up to about 10% of the time, as I said. For you, I'm guessing that's probably as much as 50% of the time, in which case perfecting a raw workflow makes good sense.
Maybe you have a very good raw workflow that guarantees that
in good lighting, your workflow provides output as good as in-camera jpegs on the K20D (or K-7.) I was never able to come up with a workflow that guaranteed that - my jpegs always matched or were noticeably better than the results of my raw workflow in anything
but really bad lighting or strange lighting situations. I suspect that most people would actually find the same thing if they compared.
It just doesn't bring any advantage to shoot raw at a 500-shot softball game in brought daylight - but it does for 10 shots at 9pm in a single-lamp lit room.
Here's my jpeg workflow:
Shoot. Download. Fire up picasa. Any image that looks keeper, contrast adjustment and sharpness is one click each (maybe). Save (non-destructively.)
I hope you'd agree that my results are not horrid - everything I've ever linked here (I think) has been in-camera jpegs.
My main concern here is not to get raw-exclusive shooters to change, it's to stop them from giving this advice to people: unless you shoot raw all the time, you're not going to get very good results, or if you do, it's just by accident.
Here's the advice I'd give to the same people:
If you do shoot raw all the time, make
very sure that your batch conversions are optimal - that takes work -
because if they're not, you're going to get worse results than if you just shot jpeg to start with. (And consider shooting jpeg/bright/fine sharpness +2)
PS: By the way - you know who has a sub-optimal raw workflow?
Ned Bunnell. His blogged images almost always look drab, unsharp, unsatisfying. I want to email him, "Ned! Please! Do you want to sell that DA 15mm Limited or not? PLEASE, PLEASE shoot jpeg just once! Just
try it."
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