Originally posted by Igilligan By other, I did not mean "all"!
No problem, I got it now. It's just that you used the plural - cams = cameras, so I thought you referred to more cameras. I think K20D and K-7 are pretty much the same camera, from the point of view of noise, because the sensor is not significantly different.
For the record: what I posted earlier is a crop of a JPG generated from a RAW file using Pentax's Silkypix software with the default camera settings (I think I have NR turned on for ISO higher than 800, so the RAW processing will apply that). It's a crop to show the noise at 100% without the effect of scaling down the image. It is indeed extracted from the upper left corner of a portrait shot taken in the evening under bulb light - the entire area is out of focus, but banding noise shouldn't care about focus.
Originally posted by asdf ...etc. Just do a google search.
Why should I do that when I have a K10D that I can just use and examine the results. I don't see any banding - I cannot get such banding even when I am intentionally underexposing the image. I'm pretty sure that if someone has a problem with their K10D sensor they'll be more likely to write about it - but this doesn't mean that everyone actually has a problem with their K10D sensor. Maybe there's a certain recipe for getting banding to show up - pm me if you have it and I'll try it out.
Originally posted by Mr.Turnip What is (would be) everyones "ISO pain limit" for daily use?
Would you also 'trade off' motion blur for the noise at - let's say - ISO6400 - or would that shot still go in your trash bin?
For me, 800 is the limit if I want to keep fine detail like eye detail in portraits. Your test corresponds to my experience, because from 1600, the stitch detail mostly goes away on that bag - look under the red paracord and to the right at the second stitch - it's pretty much gone. For the test shots, at the size posted, I'm fine with the noise up to and including 3200 - after that I start noticing it even in the scaled down shots. I'd probably be happy even with 6400&12800 if the subject would be more interesting, but I probably wouldn't ever use that when shooting people's faces.
1600 is currently the top ISO at which I shoot and still keep photos. Burst mode shooting helps prevent motion blur while keeping the ISO lower. I'm sure I'll get to use 6400 eventually, but I'm not there yet.
Here's a recent shot where burst mode and image stabilization have helped me keep the iso at 1600 (500mm f/8 mirror, handheld, at 1/25):
Chickadee: Photo by Photographer Laurentiu Cristofor - photo.net