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01-11-2010, 12:23 PM   #16
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It's a piece of crap w.r.t. to its price. You can get the DA kit lens and DA 55-300 for half the price and get better results and bigger focal range. As far as "walkaround" lenses are concerned: unless you're in a blizzard or rain, switching lenses shouldn't be a problem.

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Why would the thread be deleted? It's a legitimate thread, a legitimate topic, and so sar legitimate discussion.
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DA 55-300 is a telephoto only lens ... no wide enough in this case. I just checked SLR gear and the users rate DA 55-300 ...

Pentax Lens: Zooms - Pentax 55-300mm f/4-5.8 ED SMC DA - SLRgear.com!

Construction Quality: 8.50
Image Quality: 8.75
Overall Rating : 9.00

16-105 gets more psositive rating

Sony Lens: Zooms - Sony 16-105mm f/3.5-5.6 DT SAL-16105 (Tested) - SLRgear.com!

Construction Quality 10.00
Image Quality 9.50
Overall Rating 9.50
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If you are honestly looking to buy a digital SLR, and have honestly given the Sony A500 a decent amount of research, don't you owe it to yourself to give the K-x just as much time?

AFTER you have researched the camera, then perhaps you could ask some more pointed questions about the system, which we could more easily answer. The Pros and Cons - GO! approach isn't very helpful. Mainly because all but a handful of users here likely have no experience with Sony's cameras.

As far as a lens lineup, it is clear Sony has taken a different approach than Pentax (who themselves have a different approach than Canon/Nikon). Sony seems to have a small lineup of mostly consumer zooms which have decent focal length ranges. It also appears to be a rather costly system (Assuming you want to use 1st party lenses only). Pentax, along with a decent range of consumer zooms (though not oriented to the 'one lens for all focal lengths' category), but accels with an unparalleled lineup of Prime lenses.

The sony camera bodies never seem to do very well in reviews either - certainly Pentax has in the past been lumped in that category as well on sites such as dpreview, but the K-x is a clear step above any of sony's aps-c offerings as far as image quality is concerned (I am sure you have read both reviews, so no more elaboration is necessary, right?).

Anyway, give us some real questions and we will be happy to oblige with some thoughtful answers!

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QuoteOriginally posted by Jkiding Quote
DA 55-300 is a telephoto only lens ... no wide enough in this case. I just checked SLR gear and the users rate DA 55-300 ...

Pentax Lens: Zooms - Pentax 55-300mm f/4-5.8 ED SMC DA - SLRgear.com!

Construction Quality: 8.50
Image Quality: 8.75
Overall Rating : 9.00

16-105 gets more psositive rating

Sony Lens: Zooms - Sony 16-105mm f/3.5-5.6 DT SAL-16105 (Tested) - SLRgear.com!

Construction Quality 10.00
Image Quality 9.50
Overall Rating 9.50
If you, on the other hand, are going to continue all day with posts such as this, it is clear you've made up your mind, so enjoy your Sony.

In actual response to those ratings - those are user rating numbers - as far as construction goes, I once held a sony 75-300, which gets a 9 for build quality on slrgear - comparing it to the 55-300, I would give it maybe a 5. Pentax build quality is overall very high compared to sony when it comes to lenses (aside from the newer L series kits, which I would say are still better, at the very least on par with sony).

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16-105 gets more psositive rating
Who cares? photozone.de, optyczne.pl/lenstip.com and similar sites try to perform objective tests.
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"(I am sure you have read both reviews, so no more elaboration is necessary, right?)"

I didn't see any review of A500 on that site .. only A550 with a different sensor (and more expensive) was reviewed.

"The sony camera bodies never seem to do very well in reviews either"

Never? I just looked through the list and see A700 and A900 as "HR" on that site.
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Never? I just looked through the list and see A700 and A900 as "HR" on that site.
Everything seems to be highly recommended on dpreview. "recommended" is equivalent to "mediocre/average", it seems.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Jkiding Quote
"(I am sure you have read both reviews, so no more elaboration is necessary, right?)"

I didn't see any review of A500 on that site .. only A550 with a different sensor (and more expensive) was reviewed.

"The sony camera bodies never seem to do very well in reviews either"

Never? I just looked through the list and see A700 and A900 as "HR" on that site.
oh sorry no a500 - but the K-x beats the A550, a more expensive camera...soooo...

Hey, A700 was a nice camera to hold, its what 2 years old or more now? Definitely too old to be relevant. The A900 is FF, which Pentax does not have. No need to go down that road from here, since you are considering the K-x and A500. Or are you trolling?
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"You can get the DA kit lens and DA 55-300 for half the price and get better results and bigger focal range"

Shouldn't 55-300 be compared to other telephoto zoons? Tamron 70-300 costs around $150.

If quality (not price) is more important, what does photozone say about Sony 70-300mm G (direct competitor to 55-300) or Sony 70-400 mm?

Sony 70-300mm
Sony 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 SSM G (SAL-70300G) - Review / Test Report

(gets 4 stars)

DA 55-300

Pentax SMC DA 55-300mm f/4-5.8 ED - Review / Test Report

(gets 2 stars, 3 for better copy).
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QuoteOriginally posted by Jkiding Quote
"You can get the DA kit lens and DA 55-300 for half the price and get better results and bigger focal range"

Shouldn't 55-300 be compared to other telephoto zoons? Tamron 70-300 costs around $150.
The decision is left up to you.

No. It gets 3.5 to 4 stars for optical quality. Also, it costs around twice as much as 55-300.
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"oh sorry no a500 - but the K-x beats the A550, a more expensive camera...soooo..."

It seems that the reviewr downgraded A550 not becaudse it's a bad camera but it's more expensive. Price goes into rating of the camera. If that was the case, then wouldn't that mean
that Kx didn't beat A550 because Kx is a better camera but it's a better value according to that site? A500 is $200 cheaper than A550 so that probably would have effected the final result?
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The decision is left up to you.

No. It gets 3.5 to 4 stars for optical quality. Also, it costs around twice as much as 55-300.
And tamron 70-300 costs around half DA 55-300 .. so what are we talking about? price or IQ? according to photozone, the site you recommended, Sony 70-300 is best of it's breed (on any mount).

"The Sony 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 SSM G is high quality lens and possibly the best of the breed (70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 class)."
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And tamron 70-300 costs around half DA 55-300 .. so what are we talking about? price or IQ?
I'm talking about the suckiness/$ of Sony 16-105. Scroll up and read my posts. I'm bailing out of this thread...
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OK, since you obviously have no interest in honest discussion of the question but are simply interested in promoting Sony, I am closing the thread.
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