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01-13-2010, 07:33 PM   #1
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K10D Concerns, Getting Ready to Purchase One

Ok, after literally YEARS of research, I'm closing in on purchasing a K10D from KEH (or so I hope). So I was going through a final rundown of general opinion and reviews of the camera and now I'm starting to back off a bit after reading a few "less than favorable" comments about the K10D.

I've read several comments about K10D's dying, and how the high ISO performance is garbage.

A few questions:
Are the reports of an early demise overblown?

Is ISO 800+ really THAT bad on the K10D?

I was initially going to get a K100D, but the extra MP's, more control, weather sealing, and extensive hard controls caused me to extend my budget to afford a K10D. Am I just worrying for nothing? Is the K10D a solid performer?

How would it compare to a *ist DL in early death/high ISO performance (I've used one before, loved it)?

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01-13-2010, 07:37 PM   #2
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high ISO on the K10 can be grainy but here is ISO 1600 (central 10% of the frame)

shot with K10 and sigma 70-200 F2.8 and 2x TC

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/208249-post1.html
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QuoteOriginally posted by Lowell Goudge Quote
high ISO on the K10 can be grainy but here is ISO 1600 (central 10% of the frame)

shot with K10 and sigma 70-200 F2.8 and 2x TC

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/208249-post1.html
I wouldn't go over ISO400 on the K10D and ISO800 on the K20D, unless I was desperate.
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If any of you were in the market for a sub $400 Pentax DSLR, what would you get?

To be honest, I'll probably pull the trigger on a K10D, just because I think I can deal with the noise/banding problems with PP even though I don't want to. The other more "pro" features of the K10D are very appealing to me.

Now, if I could get a K200D for $400 with a kit lens I'd be all over it

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I have been shooting with mine since spring of 2007.
  • My shutter count is only about 15,000 and all systems are nominal. What constitutes early demise?
  • High ISO performance depends highly on subject. Black cats in a room with black walls by candlelight are going to suck at 800+. I shot the interior of the Hearst Castle and got very usable results at 1600. Is it a K-x or a K-7...no. I primarily use mine at 100 or 200, but often shoot action at 400 or 800 in good light.
  • AF is as accurate as when it was new with all AF lenses in my signature.

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I'm not sure what constitutes an early demise. Most of what I've read has just been "My K10D died" etc. with not much other info. Reports have been sporadic, so I'm not too worried.

I'm beginning to lean toward the K100D now...

I can get a K100D with three lenses for cheaper than the K10D with the kit lens.
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I have never seen banding on my K10D. It has better high ISO then my D200.

You can make your high ISO shots as good or as bad as your skill will allow. Do not believe every test and compairison on the net.



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I have no idea if the exif data can be seen. If not, all were shot at ISO 1600. And yes, they had some post processing, because that is how you would finish a real photo. Your milage may vary.
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QuoteOriginally posted by DuManchu Quote
I'm not sure what constitutes an early demise. Most of what I've read has just been "My K10D died" etc. with not much other info. Reports have been sporadic, so I'm not too worried.

I'm beginning to lean toward the K100D now...

I can get a K100D with three lenses for cheaper than the K10D with the kit lens.
Well, if you get a K10D, you will have a K10D. If you get a K100D, you will have a K100D. What lenses are included with the K100D?

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01-13-2010, 09:54 PM   #9
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Years of research?Finally pulling the trigger on what was the flagship for Pentax 2.5 years ago?

It's a great body. I had one for 2 years and loved it. I recently sold it for a new K-7...would have kept the k10D, but needed the sale of one to finance the other.

Iso 800 can be a little noisy, but nothing you shouldn't be able to live without. Iso really depends on what type of shooting you do...sometimes grain/noise isn't a bad thing...sometimes it can be. If noise is your primary concern, why not look at a K-x instead....it seems to handle noise better than the K10D and is still in the same ball park, price-wise. If weather sealing isn't high on your priority list, I'd go for the K-x.

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I at first only go to ISO400, but 2 years later I let it go all the way to ISO800, It acutally isn't that bad, with some noise removal it can be use.
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You will usually only find the problem cases on the internet. If 10 people write "My K10D died" but pentax sold a million of them (an absolute thumbsuck figure), which percentage is that?

My (1 year old) K10D is currently in for service. It has a focusing issue that either always has been there but I did not pick it up or has developed naturally or has developed due to a fall of 30cm in its bag out of a car.

See if you can get an extended warranty; it can give you the piece of mind that you need.
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K10D, ISO1600, 50mm @ f/1.4 1/20th of a second hand-held. ISO 800-1600 is perfectly acceptable provided you aren't dealing with subjects that require very subtle rendering of gradients, i.e. skin tones. For shooting people ISO 800 can be a little iffy depending on the quality of light, but for abstracts I won't hesitate to use it.

The K100D is a fine camera as well, I owned one prior to switching to the K10D. High ISO is a little better, but having to dive into menus to change the metering mode was driving me nuts. The ergonomics of the K10D are the only reason I upgraded--the extra megapixels only meant larger files and longer processing to me, and I already knew the ISO performance was a step backwards. I've had it for two years and the only problem I have just recently popped up; the aperture lever won't stop down lenses when the camera body gets cold.

Even though I plan on buying a K-7 in a month, I will nevertheless keep the K10D and get it fixed. I've grown to love the tonality of the camera to the point that I'm almost nervous about upgrading. Also, the CCD sensor does a much better job at long exposures and star trails than any of the newer CMOS equipped bodies Pentax has released.

Edit: It's been so long since I've dealt with a pentamirror viewfinder, I almost forgot that there were TWO major reasons I upgraded to the K10D. One: Better and more on-body controls. Two: Bigger, better, brighter pentaprism viewfinder. It is definitely a marked improvement, and for me the combination of better ergonomics and a more spacious viewfinder made the whole photography experience a lot more enjoyable.

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These are the things that are better about the K100d Super vs. the K10d:

1. Better high ISO performance.
2. Better metering with pre-"A" lenses - Better does not mean perfect!
3. Lighter.
4. Smaller (subjective issue).
5. Takes AA batteries (also subjective).

Now that list might make the K100d Super sound like the end-all-be-all, but the K10 has a ton of things going for it as well:

1. It is much faster at just about everything.
2. It has many more knobs, switches, etc. and they are all useful once you get used to it.
3. It may take proprietary batteries, but the generic versions can be had really cheaply, and they last a very long time in use and hold a charge seemingly forever.
4. It is altogether more geared towards the pro market.
5. More MP = bigger enlargements.
6. Two words: weather sealing.

I wouldn't worry about premature failure. The K10d is a pretty solid camera. The only slightly common issue is the SR switch breaking off, and even that isn't an everyday thing.

Edit: The previous poster mentioned that the K10d has a pentaprism vs. the pentamirror in the K100d, which is another plus for the K10d.

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Are you buying new or used? I missed that. A couple of months ago I bought an istD from a user on this site. I paid $200. Earlier this week I went to the Best Buy online site, and found refurbished K10D's for about $370, body only with all of the new-box accessories; battery, charger, etc. I'll be selling the istD shortly. I didn't shoot much with the istD, but was impressed with what I did shoot. My venture started when I blew the dust off of my Halliburton case, circa mid 70's, with a collection of SMC manual lenses, including my beloved 15mm low distortion. I'm looking forward to the K10D, and wouldn't pay attention to the "early death" issues. In my humble opinion, there will always be negatives on any photo device.
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Bestbuy has refurbs with 90 day warranty for $421.59 (includes shipping + tax).

BestBuy.com - Cart

i just picked up a used k10 for $280 as a backup while my k7 is in for warranty repair (needs circuit board replacement). i wouldn't hesitate to get one refurbed or used. At $422, it might be better to spend more and get a new kx with 18-55 for $560 shipped at amazon (with 1yr warranty)

or try for this k200d:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Pentax-K200D-10-2MP-Digital-Camera-SLR-KIT-18-55-LENS_W0...item4a9dc68d8d

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