I'm still concerned with the dust

Oggy · 02-13-2010, 03:14 PM

Another vote for the Arctic Butterfly. Top kit.

alphalt · 02-14-2010, 03:24 AM

Hi,

Arctic butterfly is dry cleaning kit and I don't think it will remove welded dust as in my case. I have not much experience in DSLRs and cleaning, but somehow I think sticky tool will remove more dust if compare to other dry cleaning. I think its because its sticky and it will not move dust around the sensor. And its possible to take some welded dust as well with it.
I've checked my dust I can't remove with DNG format and it is more smaller than on JPG, so it seems that particle is too small (and welded maybe).

JeffJS · 02-14-2010, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by alphalt

Hi,

Arctic butterfly is dry cleaning kit and I don't think it will remove welded dust as in my case. I have not much experience in DSLRs and cleaning, but somehow I think sticky tool will remove more dust if compare to other dry cleaning. I think its because its sticky and it will not move dust around the sensor. And its possible to take some welded dust as well with it.
I've checked my dust I can't remove with DNG format and it is more smaller than on JPG, so it seems that particle is too small (and welded maybe).

No, The AB will not remove the Stuck on dust. In fact, in many cases, all it does with Loose dust is slide it around on the sensor screen. Now that I've said that, there'll be a dozen people crawling out of the woodwork swearing it never fails. For my experience, I have a $90 spinning paint brush with a pretty LED on it that just slides the loose stuff around. The only thing that's ever worked as advertised for me is the Pentax cleaning kit.

alphalt · 02-15-2010, 12:39 AM

Hi,

I've never tried other cleaning kits, but Pentax one working fine. Yes there are some microscopic dust particles thats impossible to remove, but they have no influence on photos. I think later I'll use E2 with swabs and make perfect clean

enoxatnep · 02-15-2010, 10:32 AM

Every now and then I'll use the Dust Alert feature on my K20D by taking a shot against a white wall or the blue sky. On the two occasions I've actually had dust, I simply used one of those little hand-held air blowers to gently blow the dust off. Some of them come with a brush, but remove the brush first; you shouldn't actually need to contact the sensor with anything. If air somehow won't blow off the dust, then and ONLY then use something like O-ICK1.

If you're having persistent dust problems, maybe you should change the way and/or the environment in which you change lenses.

alphalt · 02-15-2010, 10:52 AM

Hello,

You have normal and not paranoid way of solving problems. And I agree with you 100%. I'm just new to photography and affraid of dust very much ! Ok, I've cleaned with O-ICK1, I'm happy and sensor is like new. Have some dust left on sensor, but its impossible to see on "normal" photos even with F40. So in the end I'm happy with dust handling.
Yesterday has happened interesting thing. I took some photos outside and didn't changed lens. I came home, checked again with F40 and saw HUGE dust particle on the sensors. Looked at photos and it was impossible to see ! So I realized how much I'm paranoid. So I took my O-ICK1 and again happy. I think I'm getting more mature in photography

maxmagnum · 02-21-2010, 12:31 PM

Let me throw in my $0.02.

After my first big shooting expedition with my new K-x, I was truly disappointed to find a bunch of shots with small fuzzy dots, usually not more than 3-4, and typically on the bright background such as the sky. The thing is, I shoot mostly outdoors, and sometimes I have to swap lenses outdoors, fully aware that it is not the best thing to do.

So these dots drove me nuts. I tried built-in dust alert and dust removal to no avail. Those dots would show up only on the photos, but not in dust alert mode. The dust removal mode didn't seem to help at all. I tried blowing the sensor with air, with partial success. I called Pentax support. They suggested sending in the camera for inspection and cleaning, which I declined hoping that there is a better solution and deciding I wouldn't like to ship my camera, then wait for several weeks to get it back. I started looking into sensor cleaning tools, but decided that it might be too risky.

After this happened several times, I just gave up and decided to edit the pics. Yes, it takes some time, but spares me frustration and irritation while shooting and seeing those dots or psychotically searching for them on every frame. Photoshop does a very good job, it's easy to do it and doesn't take that much time (unless you have hundreds of messed up shots or too many of these dots on each one). To my surprise, the latest version of google's Picasa does the job equally well, probably even quicker and easier (and it's free).

Oggy · 02-21-2010, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by alphalt

Hi,

Arctic butterfly is dry cleaning kit and I don't think it will remove welded dust as in my case. I have not much experience in DSLRs and cleaning, but somehow I think sticky tool will remove more dust if compare to other dry cleaning. I think its because its sticky and it will not move dust around the sensor. And its possible to take some welded dust as well with it.
I've checked my dust I can't remove with DNG format and it is more smaller than on JPG, so it seems that particle is too small (and welded maybe).

Don't underestimate it Alpha.

I only got mine a few weeks ago and it removed all visible dust, including two specs and a small hair which have been on my sensor since last summer and have survived two wet cleans.

maxmagnum · 02-21-2010, 05:02 PM

Arctic got very mixed reviews on amazon. I'd be scared to use it. Another similar product got better reviews, but I'd still be very nervous to touch the sensor directly:
Amazon.com: D-SLR BrushTM - Sensor Cleaning Brush for 1.6x w/ChamberSwab®: Everything Else

creampuff · 02-21-2010, 05:09 PM

+1 for the Pentax red lollipop. It works like a charm.

Interesting to know the Leica factory also appears to use it.

Oggy · 02-23-2010, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by maxmagnum

Arctic got very mixed reviews on amazon. I'd be scared to use it. Another similar product got better reviews, but I'd still be very nervous to touch the sensor directly:
Amazon.com: D-SLR BrushTM - Sensor Cleaning Brush for 1.6x w/ChamberSwab®: Everything Else

I do not have to rely on reviews.

stevewig · 02-23-2010, 06:01 PM

Another vote for Arctic Butterfly - I use it regularly on my Nikon and Pentax. Remember that it works on the concept of static charge on the hair bristles - like a dust magnet.

I find it very effective even though it is probably true that 'welded-on' dust needs a different approach. Most dust particles, in my experience, are not welded. I don't believe that I have any on my camera's that resist the butterfly but even if I do they are not subjectively evident.

02-21-2010, 12:31 PM	#22
maxmagnum Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: West of West Posts: 47	My $0.02 Let me throw in my $0.02. After my first big shooting expedition with my new K-x, I was truly disappointed to find a bunch of shots with small fuzzy dots, usually not more than 3-4, and typically on the bright background such as the sky. The thing is, I shoot mostly outdoors, and sometimes I have to swap lenses outdoors, fully aware that it is not the best thing to do. So these dots drove me nuts. I tried built-in dust alert and dust removal to no avail. Those dots would show up only on the photos, but not in dust alert mode. The dust removal mode didn't seem to help at all. I tried blowing the sensor with air, with partial success. I called Pentax support. They suggested sending in the camera for inspection and cleaning, which I declined hoping that there is a better solution and deciding I wouldn't like to ship my camera, then wait for several weeks to get it back. I started looking into sensor cleaning tools, but decided that it might be too risky. After this happened several times, I just gave up and decided to edit the pics. Yes, it takes some time, but spares me frustration and irritation while shooting and seeing those dots or psychotically searching for them on every frame. Photoshop does a very good job, it's easy to do it and doesn't take that much time (unless you have hundreds of messed up shots or too many of these dots on each one). To my surprise, the latest version of google's Picasa does the job equally well, probably even quicker and easier (and it's free).

02-21-2010, 05:02 PM	#24
maxmagnum Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: West of West Posts: 47	see reviews Arctic got very mixed reviews on amazon. I'd be scared to use it. Another similar product got better reviews, but I'd still be very nervous to touch the sensor directly: Amazon.com: D-SLR BrushTM - Sensor Cleaning Brush for 1.6x w/ChamberSwab®: Everything Else

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02-13-2010, 03:14 PM	#16
Oggy Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: West Sussex UK Posts: 235	Another vote for the Arctic Butterfly. Top kit.

02-14-2010, 03:24 AM	#17
alphalt Guest	Hi, Arctic butterfly is dry cleaning kit and I don't think it will remove welded dust as in my case. I have not much experience in DSLRs and cleaning, but somehow I think sticky tool will remove more dust if compare to other dry cleaning. I think its because its sticky and it will not move dust around the sensor. And its possible to take some welded dust as well with it. I've checked my dust I can't remove with DNG format and it is more smaller than on JPG, so it seems that particle is too small (and welded maybe).

02-14-2010, 02:32 PM	#18
JeffJS Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Michigan, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,484	Originally posted by alphalt Hi, Arctic butterfly is dry cleaning kit and I don't think it will remove welded dust as in my case. I have not much experience in DSLRs and cleaning, but somehow I think sticky tool will remove more dust if compare to other dry cleaning. I think its because its sticky and it will not move dust around the sensor. And its possible to take some welded dust as well with it. I've checked my dust I can't remove with DNG format and it is more smaller than on JPG, so it seems that particle is too small (and welded maybe). No, The AB will not remove the Stuck on dust. In fact, in many cases, all it does with Loose dust is slide it around on the sensor screen. Now that I've said that, there'll be a dozen people crawling out of the woodwork swearing it never fails. For my experience, I have a $90 spinning paint brush with a pretty LED on it that just slides the loose stuff around. The only thing that's ever worked as advertised for me is the Pentax cleaning kit.

02-15-2010, 12:39 AM	#19
alphalt Guest	Hi, I've never tried other cleaning kits, but Pentax one working fine. Yes there are some microscopic dust particles thats impossible to remove, but they have no influence on photos. I think later I'll use E2 with swabs and make perfect clean

02-15-2010, 10:32 AM	#20
enoxatnep Closed Account Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: The edge of nowhere, Alberta, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 467	Every now and then I'll use the Dust Alert feature on my K20D by taking a shot against a white wall or the blue sky. On the two occasions I've actually had dust, I simply used one of those little hand-held air blowers to gently blow the dust off. Some of them come with a brush, but remove the brush first; you shouldn't actually need to contact the sensor with anything. If air somehow won't blow off the dust, then and ONLY then use something like O-ICK1. If you're having persistent dust problems, maybe you should change the way and/or the environment in which you change lenses.

02-15-2010, 10:52 AM	#21
alphalt Guest	Hello, You have normal and not paranoid way of solving problems. And I agree with you 100%. I'm just new to photography and affraid of dust very much ! Ok, I've cleaned with O-ICK1, I'm happy and sensor is like new. Have some dust left on sensor, but its impossible to see on "normal" photos even with F40. So in the end I'm happy with dust handling. Yesterday has happened interesting thing. I took some photos outside and didn't changed lens. I came home, checked again with F40 and saw HUGE dust particle on the sensors. Looked at photos and it was impossible to see ! So I realized how much I'm paranoid. So I took my O-ICK1 and again happy. I think I'm getting more mature in photography

02-21-2010, 03:30 PM	#23
Oggy Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: West Sussex UK Posts: 235	Originally posted by alphalt Hi, Arctic butterfly is dry cleaning kit and I don't think it will remove welded dust as in my case. I have not much experience in DSLRs and cleaning, but somehow I think sticky tool will remove more dust if compare to other dry cleaning. I think its because its sticky and it will not move dust around the sensor. And its possible to take some welded dust as well with it. I've checked my dust I can't remove with DNG format and it is more smaller than on JPG, so it seems that particle is too small (and welded maybe). Don't underestimate it Alpha. I only got mine a few weeks ago and it removed all visible dust, including two specs and a small hair which have been on my sensor since last summer and have survived two wet cleans.

02-21-2010, 05:09 PM	#25
creampuff Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,953	+1 for the Pentax red lollipop. It works like a charm. Interesting to know the Leica factory also appears to use it.

02-23-2010, 03:59 PM	#26
Oggy Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: West Sussex UK Posts: 235	Originally posted by maxmagnum Arctic got very mixed reviews on amazon. I'd be scared to use it. Another similar product got better reviews, but I'd still be very nervous to touch the sensor directly: Amazon.com: D-SLR BrushTM - Sensor Cleaning Brush for 1.6x w/ChamberSwab®: Everything Else I do not have to rely on reviews.

02-23-2010, 06:01 PM	#27
stevewig Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 773	Another vote for Arctic Butterfly - I use it regularly on my Nikon and Pentax. Remember that it works on the concept of static charge on the hair bristles - like a dust magnet. I find it very effective even though it is probably true that 'welded-on' dust needs a different approach. Most dust particles, in my experience, are not welded. I don't believe that I have any on my camera's that resist the butterfly but even if I do they are not subjectively evident.

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