Professional pentax dslr

Toonahfish · 07-01-2007, 12:07 PM

Just a thought that crossed my mind: Do pentax make a camera to compete with the likes of the canon 1D Mk2 or something like that?

and · 07-01-2007, 12:13 PM

No, they don't.

Toonahfish · 07-01-2007, 12:18 PM

Ok. Question answered.

Entropy · 07-01-2007, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Toonahfish

Just a thought that crossed my mind: Do pentax make a camera to compete with the likes of the canon 1D Mk2 or something like that?

Nope. Basically, no one makes anything that competes in the same market as the Canon full-frame DSLRs, as no one else makes full-frame DSLRs. Everything else is APS-C (or smaller in some cases from other manufacturers). Nikon also doesn't make anything fullframe.

If you're thinking of competing with the higher-end APS-C DSLRs (which are still considered professional), then the K10D does compete well with those in the $1500-2000 price range (despite being priced around $900). There are a number of professional photographers here who do shoot with the K10D. (Not myself though, for me photography is a deep dark hole into which large amounts of my money goes into, not a source of money, and it will always stay that way.

)

Frakkas · 07-01-2007, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Toonahfish

Just a thought that crossed my mind: Do pentax make a camera to compete with the likes of the canon 1D Mk2 or something like that?

Yes!

It's called K10D.

Entropy · 07-01-2007, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Frakkas

Yes!

It's called K10D.

Sadly, as good of a camera as the K10D is, and as much as it utterly blows everyone else away in the price-performance ratio, Canon's "top of the line" has no direct competition from anyone. If you need the low-light performance of a full frame sensor, Canon is the only place you can go. This is a niche market though, which is why Canon has no competition - Nikon and others could compete if they wanted, but for 95%+ of even the professional market, fullframe is overkill.

If you limit yourself to the market segments where Canon does actually have competition (high-end APS-C sensor sized cameras, such as Nikon's top of the line and Canon's midrange professional offerings), the K10D competes quite well with them despite being priced far below them.

wlachan · 07-01-2007, 02:08 PM

The LX was the only serious attempt to compete with Canon F1 & Nikon F3 at the time. But never before, or after, the entire Pentax 135 history that they were trying to match Nikon or Canon for the flagship race. I think it would be an unrealistic expectation lusting for any like EOS1 series from Pentax. People go Canon or Nikon for these flagship products and support. The best Pentax could and should do is serious amateur models which would sell.

nathancombs · 07-05-2007, 12:57 PM

i go out and copeat agents other photojs that have 1D Mk---- and the Nikon both of them use the new and best lens eather offer. the cannon person uses the 70-200 L 2.8 and i tell you what with my K10D or K100D and cheap 2nd hand Pentax smc lens i been holding my own.

it been funny to be able to out shoot them with my K100D and my 50$ 80-200 and 60$ 100-300 lol

axl · 07-05-2007, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by nathancombs

it been funny to be able to out shoot them with my K100D and my 50$ 80-200 and 60$ 100-300 lol

it just proves that pentax in good hands is capable of admiring, top of the class shots
keep going...

Timbuctoo · 07-05-2007, 08:44 PM

By this time next year Sony will be competing with the top 2 but who cares anyway the price for one of the top camera bodies + lenses to go with isn't worth the performance gain (if any apart from frame rate). This is why I lean towards Pentax. With no other brand can I go to the second hand shop and find optical wonders with a cheap price tag. With no other camera system can I get the proper manual focus feeling.

I'll say it again because it will happen. Whatever sensor Sony put in its A10 you'll find it in the next Pentax camera, it's as simple as that. Pentax will refine in, add nice stuff to it and call it the K20D or something along those lines. I'll eat my hat if 80% of what I say doesn't happen.

If the Sony A10 is released just before September then the new Pentax which will directly compete above say the Nikon D200 level (K10D does that anyway) will be released around Christmas/New Year!!

These are my predictions. Pentax will always remain the consumer friendly brand with some really nice stuff at acceptable prices, especially once the new lenses are released.

Tim H

Entropy · 07-05-2007, 10:04 PM

One thing I wanted to add - So far it looks like the 645D medium format camera is still going forward, and if it stays at the current planned price, it will utterly obliterate Canon's offerings in its price range. (I've seen a lot of news indicating that it'll be priced similarly to Canon's top of the line but will have a much larger sensor.) So yeah, it looks like Pentax is planning on competing with Canon's flagships not by producing a pro 35mm FF camera, but instead producing an affordable MF digital. (And MF is by definition pro, unless you're shooting with a Holga.

)

RiceHigh · 07-06-2007, 04:09 AM

Originally posted by Toonahfish

Just a thought that crossed my mind: Do pentax make a camera to compete with the likes of the canon 1D Mk2 or something like that?

Probably not, in the foreseeable future. They don't have the market for it and very few pros will buy into it nor they have the true leading edge technology to build a truly high performing DSLR as those top end Canons and Nikon do, deep inside of course (but not comparing published specs on paper. Do remember there are many unpublished specs which are far more important when using the camera at the *field*).

TaoMaas · 07-06-2007, 07:15 AM

Originally posted by Timbuctoo

By this time next year Sony will be competing with the top 2...

Competing how? In features vs price? Or in total sales? Sony has a very tough road ahead if they intend to knock off Nikon or Canon.

barendvl · 07-06-2007, 07:20 AM

Originally posted by RiceHigh

Probably not, in the foreseeable future. They don't have the market for it and very few pros will buy into it nor they have the true leading edge technology to build a truly high performing DSLR as those top end Canons and Nikon do, deep inside of course (but not comparing published specs on paper. Do remember there are many unpublished specs which are far more important when using the camera at the *field*).

You don't consider Benjikan a professional photographer? Among others.

You can safely say that very few pros will buy into a high-end Pentax system, comparing to the amount of pros on a Nikon/Canon system.

Your second statement "Do remember... the *field*)." however, is your average RiceHigh anti-Pentax nonsense.

Let me guess, we can find the proof for Pentax not complying to your standards of these important specs on your blog?

RiceHigh · 07-06-2007, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by barendvl

You don't consider Benjikan a professional photographer? Among others.

You can safely say that very few pros will buy into a high-end Pentax system, comparing to the amount of pros on a Nikon/Canon system.

You've answered your question yourself. Very few = None??

Quote:

Your second statement "Do remember... the *field*)." however, is your average RiceHigh anti-Pentax nonsense.

Let me guess, we can find the proof for Pentax not complying to your standards of these important specs on your blog?

Okay, then, in the *lab* if you don't like those field reports by users! My blog has no standard, nor specs, I link to other lab tests and user reports. One can always judge by oneself by just clicking the source links (and thus leave my blog).

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07-01-2007, 12:13 PM	#2
and Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,476	No, they don't.

07-01-2007, 12:18 PM	#3
Toonahfish Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: London Posts: 27 Original Poster	Ok. Question answered.

07-01-2007, 01:29 PM	#4
Entropy Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Owego, NY Posts: 976	Originally posted by Toonahfish Just a thought that crossed my mind: Do pentax make a camera to compete with the likes of the canon 1D Mk2 or something like that? Nope. Basically, no one makes anything that competes in the same market as the Canon full-frame DSLRs, as no one else makes full-frame DSLRs. Everything else is APS-C (or smaller in some cases from other manufacturers). Nikon also doesn't make anything fullframe. If you're thinking of competing with the higher-end APS-C DSLRs (which are still considered professional), then the K10D does compete well with those in the $1500-2000 price range (despite being priced around $900). There are a number of professional photographers here who do shoot with the K10D. (Not myself though, for me photography is a deep dark hole into which large amounts of my money goes into, not a source of money, and it will always stay that way. )

07-01-2007, 01:29 PM	#5
Frakkas Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Oslo, Norway Photos: Gallery Posts: 27	Originally posted by Toonahfish Just a thought that crossed my mind: Do pentax make a camera to compete with the likes of the canon 1D Mk2 or something like that? Yes! It's called K10D.

07-01-2007, 01:46 PM	#6
Entropy Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Owego, NY Posts: 976	Originally posted by Frakkas Yes! It's called K10D. Sadly, as good of a camera as the K10D is, and as much as it utterly blows everyone else away in the price-performance ratio, Canon's "top of the line" has no direct competition from anyone. If you need the low-light performance of a full frame sensor, Canon is the only place you can go. This is a niche market though, which is why Canon has no competition - Nikon and others could compete if they wanted, but for 95%+ of even the professional market, fullframe is overkill. If you limit yourself to the market segments where Canon does actually have competition (high-end APS-C sensor sized cameras, such as Nikon's top of the line and Canon's midrange professional offerings), the K10D competes quite well with them despite being priced far below them.

07-01-2007, 02:08 PM	#7
wlachan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Canada Photos: Albums Posts: 2,625	The LX was the only serious attempt to compete with Canon F1 & Nikon F3 at the time. But never before, or after, the entire Pentax 135 history that they were trying to match Nikon or Canon for the flagship race. I think it would be an unrealistic expectation lusting for any like EOS1 series from Pentax. People go Canon or Nikon for these flagship products and support. The best Pentax could and should do is serious amateur models which would sell.

07-05-2007, 12:57 PM	#8
nathancombs Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Waysboro va Photos: Gallery Posts: 517	i go out and copeat agents other photojs that have 1D Mk---- and the Nikon both of them use the new and best lens eather offer. the cannon person uses the 70-200 L 2.8 and i tell you what with my K10D or K100D and cheap 2nd hand Pentax smc lens i been holding my own. it been funny to be able to out shoot them with my K100D and my 50$ 80-200 and 60$ 100-300 lol

07-05-2007, 01:18 PM	#9
axl Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Nove Zamky, Slovakia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,183	Originally posted by nathancombs it been funny to be able to out shoot them with my K100D and my 50$ 80-200 and 60$ 100-300 lol it just proves that pentax in good hands is capable of admiring, top of the class shots keep going...

07-05-2007, 08:44 PM	#10
Timbuctoo Inactive Account Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Darwin, Australia Posts: 203	By this time next year Sony will be competing with the top 2 but who cares anyway the price for one of the top camera bodies + lenses to go with isn't worth the performance gain (if any apart from frame rate). This is why I lean towards Pentax. With no other brand can I go to the second hand shop and find optical wonders with a cheap price tag. With no other camera system can I get the proper manual focus feeling. I'll say it again because it will happen. Whatever sensor Sony put in its A10 you'll find it in the next Pentax camera, it's as simple as that. Pentax will refine in, add nice stuff to it and call it the K20D or something along those lines. I'll eat my hat if 80% of what I say doesn't happen. If the Sony A10 is released just before September then the new Pentax which will directly compete above say the Nikon D200 level (K10D does that anyway) will be released around Christmas/New Year!! These are my predictions. Pentax will always remain the consumer friendly brand with some really nice stuff at acceptable prices, especially once the new lenses are released. Tim H

07-05-2007, 10:04 PM	#11
Entropy Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Owego, NY Posts: 976	One thing I wanted to add - So far it looks like the 645D medium format camera is still going forward, and if it stays at the current planned price, it will utterly obliterate Canon's offerings in its price range. (I've seen a lot of news indicating that it'll be priced similarly to Canon's top of the line but will have a much larger sensor.) So yeah, it looks like Pentax is planning on competing with Canon's flagships not by producing a pro 35mm FF camera, but instead producing an affordable MF digital. (And MF is by definition pro, unless you're shooting with a Holga. )

07-06-2007, 04:09 AM	#12
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934	Originally posted by Toonahfish Just a thought that crossed my mind: Do pentax make a camera to compete with the likes of the canon 1D Mk2 or something like that? Probably not, in the foreseeable future. They don't have the market for it and very few pros will buy into it nor they have the true leading edge technology to build a truly high performing DSLR as those top end Canons and Nikon do, deep inside of course (but not comparing published specs on paper. Do remember there are many unpublished specs which are far more important when using the camera at the field).

07-06-2007, 07:15 AM	#13
TaoMaas Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oklahoma City Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,574	Originally posted by Timbuctoo By this time next year Sony will be competing with the top 2... Competing how? In features vs price? Or in total sales? Sony has a very tough road ahead if they intend to knock off Nikon or Canon.

07-06-2007, 07:20 AM	#14
barendvl Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Netherlands, Eindhoven Posts: 133	Originally posted by RiceHigh Probably not, in the foreseeable future. They don't have the market for it and very few pros will buy into it nor they have the true leading edge technology to build a truly high performing DSLR as those top end Canons and Nikon do, deep inside of course (but not comparing published specs on paper. Do remember there are many unpublished specs which are far more important when using the camera at the field). You don't consider Benjikan a professional photographer? Among others. You can safely say that very few pros will buy into a high-end Pentax system, comparing to the amount of pros on a Nikon/Canon system. Your second statement "Do remember... the field)." however, is your average RiceHigh anti-Pentax nonsense. Let me guess, we can find the proof for Pentax not complying to your standards of these important specs on your blog?

07-06-2007, 08:30 AM	#15
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934	Originally posted by barendvl You don't consider Benjikan a professional photographer? Among others. You can safely say that very few pros will buy into a high-end Pentax system, comparing to the amount of pros on a Nikon/Canon system. You've answered your question yourself. Very few = None?? Quote: Your second statement "Do remember... the field)." however, is your average RiceHigh anti-Pentax nonsense. Let me guess, we can find the proof for Pentax not complying to your standards of these important specs on your blog? Okay, then, in the lab if you don't like those field reports by users! My blog has no standard, nor specs, I link to other lab tests and user reports. One can always judge by oneself by just clicking the source links (and thus leave my blog).