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07-02-2007, 01:02 AM   #1
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Help needed with difficult buddy (closes eyes when using flash)

I have a buddy of mine who I can't get a flash pic of him with his eyes open. I've tried everything I can think of.

I'm using the k100d and onboard flash. If the p-ttl discharges, I wait till he opens his eyes again and then I attempt to take the photo but he always manages to close his eyes. I also set the flash to manual simple flash and not red eye reduction. I must have tried every power the flash has (flash exposure comp) from -2 to +1 with the same results. Even setting the shutter to 180 produces the same results.

The funny thing is that I can get a photo of him with my p&s fuji f20 with open eyes almost every time I try.

Is there anything I can do to catch him with open eyes?


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Set the camera to 2sec Self timer and tell him to hold his pose till after the second flash, that way there will be a two second gap between the flashes and thus will give him time to recover from the first flash.
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Set the camera to 2sec Self timer and tell him to hold his pose till after the second flash, that way there will be a two second gap between the flashes and thus will give him time to recover from the first flash.
Will try that. Cheers!
07-02-2007, 04:47 PM   #4
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QuoteOriginally posted by Deni Quote
Is there anything I can do to catch him with open eyes?
This is the big drawback of P-TTL.

Many people - and a lot of animals too - have reactions fast enough for the pre-flash to make them blink just in time for the main flash to catch them with eyes half-closed.

Unless the K100D is different from the K10D and allows you to switch off pre-flash, the only thing you can do is put an old flash gun on the shoe (measure the trigger voltage first) and work out the exposure manually, or allow the gun to operate in auto having set the camera to the aperture the gun says it needs.

Holding the pose will lose the spontaneity unless he's also a model with the skill to do that.


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Yes I blame the P-TTL flash too. I have a frequent subject that cannot keep her eyes open for a flash shot, even when really concentrating and trying to keep them open.
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Do you mean by pre-flash when the camera discharges the flash to focus lock or there's always a pre-flash even if the focus is locked?
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One trick is to have your difficult subject close his eyes and then open them on the count of three.
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The flash fires once, so the camera can calculate the correct exposure, then fires again with the shutter, to take the photo.

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Less cigarettes and booze. Yup, that will get those eyes open. LOL. Real answer, shoot manual. It takes a little practice to be able to do on the fly, but the resulting photos will be worth the practice time.
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Less cigarettes and booze. Yup, that will get those eyes open. LOL.
Heh! i was just about to say there's a tinge of swelling around those eyes.... Open on 3 sounds like a neat trick for people who have sensitive eyes, unlike the rest of us possums who love staring into those headlights.
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There is plain old single flash (A/M/TTL flash), and there is pre-flash (P-TTL flash). He can't be blinking to both right? If he did, how about a pair of sunglasses?

But seriously, I once came across someone who blinked because of the mirror/shutter sound (MZ-10) which provoked it.
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Thanks all for the replies.

I waited till he opened his eyes again after the pre-flash (the one that helps the camera focus lock and get the correct exposure) and when I saw his eyes were open further pressed the shutter, but you see the results.

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Less cigarettes and booze. Yup, that will get those eyes open.
Dude you're asking way too much .

How can you say no to this:



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Real answer, shoot manual. It takes a little practice to be able to do on the fly, but the resulting photos will be worth the practice time.
What do you mean by that? I shoot Av unless I need to shoot long exposures.

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One trick is to have your difficult subject close his eyes and then open them on the count of three.
Will try that as well, cheers .
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QuoteOriginally posted by Cideway Quote
Set the camera to 2sec Self timer and tell him to hold his pose till after the second flash, that way there will be a two second gap between the flashes and thus will give him time to recover from the first flash.
CHEERS! That worked a treat !

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One trick is to have your difficult subject close his eyes and then open them on the count of three.
This unfortunately didn't work. He just shut his eyes right away.

Thanks everyone for you input!

Really appreciated.

I'm removing my buddies photos as he doesn't like being a porn star .
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QuoteOriginally posted by Deni Quote
This unfortunately didn't work. He just shut his eyes right away.
Well, also, synchronize your counting and your shutter-pressing so you get the right instant.
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Well, also, synchronize your counting and your shutter-pressing so you get the right instant.
Well I guess after some booze our coordination might be a bit off .
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