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03-21-2010, 04:43 PM   #1
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K100D to K10D -- is it worth it?

I'm sorry if there are already a million threads like this, this is going to get a little bit specific though so bear with me.

Looking at the used market prices, today I could pretty much sell my K100D Super and get a K10D for something like $50 more than the cash I'd get. Would you? I don't particularly like the K10D's sensor more than the K100D, I don't care about the extra megapixels, but I wouldn't mind faster operation and weather sealing. For those of you who have used both cameras -- how much faster does the K10D feel when shooting RAW/browsing pictures/deleting pictures/stuff like that? Viewfinder size/brightness?

Basically -- is it worth it for the usability improvements alone? I've never handled a K10D, so I need input on this. I have used a K200D (same sensor) quite extensively so I know a little bit about what to expect IQ-wise. Ideally I'd want a K-7 but having money is not really my thing.


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QuoteOriginally posted by Erik Quote
I'm sorry if there are already a million threads like this, this is going to get a little bit specific though so bear with me.

Looking at the used market prices, today I could pretty much sell my K100D Super and get a K10D for something like $50 more than the cash I'd get. Would you? I don't particularly like the K10D's sensor more than the K100D, I don't care about the extra megapixels, but I wouldn't mind faster operation and weather sealing. For those of you who have used both cameras -- how much faster does the K10D feel when shooting RAW/browsing pictures/deleting pictures/stuff like that?

Basically -- is it worth it for the usability improvements alone? I've never handled a K10D, so I need input on this. I have used a K200D (same sensor) quite extensively so I know a little bit about what to expect IQ-wise. Ideally I'd want a K-7 but having money is not really my thing.
It is a BIG step up from K100D, I can say that because many times I am holding my K100D thinking that it is my K10D - oh, sucks, I don't have this and that. Believe me, I am spoiled now if I don't have two dials - and in K100D I don't have the finer degree of control on ISO setting and many more... If you can get your hands on a used inexpensive K10D, you will know what I mean. Also, going from K10D to K-7 is a big jump perhaps not as big as K100D to K10D imho.
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I did it. It was a "Buy it Now" auction, I was afraid someone else would snag it, and yeah, I pulled the trigger before I could regret it. So there you go, I guess I am now a new owner of a very lightly used K10D.

Maybe this thread is a bit superfluous now, but please, if people have experiences to share, do...
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Lol I was a bit late with this post:

And to make the decision making even more complicated have a look at a used (or even better, new) K20D. Bought mine new for AUD$800.

Have fun with the K10D! It is def. a step up from the K100DS. Just be mindful of the limitations of its jpeg engine.

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And to make the decision making even more complicated have a look at a used (or even better, new) K20D. Bought mine new for AUD$800.
Thanks for the input -- but my budget is super slim, and I don't honestly see the K20D as having many advantages to me. Resolution is not a big deal to me, and when you strip away that, the K20D doesn't have a lot on the K10D. I'm sure it's a great camera but to me, I don't think it would be worth it. The next upgrade would be a K-7, which I'll probably get in about 5 years when it's in my financial range.
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I'm in the same boat, having a K100D Super and wanting to upgrade to a body with more controls, a better VF and weather sealing. I could buy a K-7, but am not sure I'm willing to spend that much money. Also, I suspect Pentax will come out with a new body sometime this year, possibly replacing the K-7.

I'm still having doubts wrt the K10D's sensor though. I've read that the K20D has an excellent sensor (low RAW noise) and the K-7 is also good in that respect. How does the K10D compare?
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I'm still having doubts wrt the K10D's sensor though. I've read that the K20D has an excellent sensor (low RAW noise) and the K-7 is also good in that respect. How does the K10D compare?
Definitely noticably worse at ISO 1600 than the K100D Super is, but RAW shooting and a bit of decent PP work will straighten that out pretty well. The K10D JPEG engine is notorious for not getting the best out of the sensor. I'll let someone else answer how the K10D compares to the K20D/K-7 (again, same sensor)
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QuoteOriginally posted by Erik Quote
Definitely noticably worse at ISO 1600 than the K100D Super is, but RAW shooting and a bit of decent PP work will straighten that out pretty well.
So you are saying JPEG noise is worse, but RAW noise is not?

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The K10D JPEG engine is notorious for not getting the best out of the sensor.
How about tweaking its settings? I mostly shoot RAW but will shoot JPEG as well.

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So you are saying JPEG noise is worse, but RAW noise is not?
I'm not sure how much of it is what. I think even in RAW with suitable NR, if you pixel peeped at 100% the K10D would still look worse, but then the K10D is 10MP. If you did proper noise reduction from a RAW file on both cameras, and then downsampled the K10D image to 6MP, I'm sure the difference would be negligible in any real-world situation. Also pretty sure tests like these have already been made by people more knowledgeable than me, so I'll shut it for now until I have had the camera in my hands for a while

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How about tweaking its settings? I mostly shoot RAW but will shoot JPEG as well.
Not sure yet. I still haven't ever shot a K10D, what I know I know from reviews and from experiences with the K200D which is very similar IQ-wise. Check dpreview if you want, they cover the supposed JPEG engine issues a bit.


EDIT: Here's a relevant thread: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/16276-noise-k100d-vs-k10d.html
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The K10 is the only Pentax camera that I regretted buying. I liked the extra controls but preferred the high ISO from the K100. I didn't feel that the K10 gave me any more real resolution - just made the same resolution larger. I still own the K100 but sold the K10 when I upgraded to a K20. Now that camera (K20) showed me quite a bit more fine detail than I had seen with the K10 (or K100), especially noticeable with the DA*50-135 and other better lenses. Just my opinion, but I never felt that the K10 was that big of an upgrade to the K100, where the K20 (and K7) are big upgrades.

Erik - since you've already bought the K10, I'd be interested in what your opinion will be.
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I'm gonna try it out, and we'll see what happens. I'm pretty confident that if I really don't like the K10D, the price was good enough that I can sell it again and recoup all my money.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Erik Quote
I'm not sure how much of it is what. I think even in RAW with suitable NR, if you pixel peeped at 100% the K10D would still look worse, but then the K10D is 10MP. If you did proper noise reduction from a RAW file on both cameras, and then downsampled the K10D image to 6MP, I'm sure the difference would be negligible in any real-world situation.
I'm looking at ISO 1600 RAW images from both cameras (from the Imaging Resource site) with no NR at all. Indeed, viewing at 100%, the K10D image is much bigger and the noise correspondingly more noticeable. Sizing both images to the same size, I basically can't tell the difference.

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Now with prices between K100D to K10D, it is a no brain decision (between $100 difference). Now it you can afford a K20D go fo it ($200 more than a K10D).
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I didn't think the difference between the K10D and K20D was that big. But reading replies here seem to indicate otherwise, so I'm now thinking I should probably go for a K20D or a K-7.
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My first DSLR was a K100D. Shortly after I purchased it, the K10D became available, and shortly after that, I sold my K100D and purchased the K10D. Cost me more than $50 but it was definitely worth it.

This is not to knock the K100D. Nice camera. And the K10D in itself won't necessarily take significantly better photos, especially in normal good light and assuming that you don't really need the extra megapixels. But the build of the camera and especially the usability improvements were really valuable to me. I don't know that I could ever use a camera without two e-dials again.

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