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04-15-2010, 03:36 AM   #16
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is it heavily cropped? looks a bit too grainy for iso 800. how about a pic of the k7 with the fa 31

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the picture's noise is not bad IMHO. K7 is very usable straight jpgs upto about iso2000.
check the histogram. make sure your image is not underexposed.

YMMV

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You have some minus exposure bias according to your exif, which isn't going to help the noise situation, especially in the black parts, which are effectively several stops under exposed.
You are making the K7 look a lot worse than it really is with poor technique.
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You have some minus exposure bias according to your exif, which isn't going to help the noise situation, especially in the black parts, which are effectively several stops under exposed.
You are making the K7 look a lot worse than it really is with poor technique.
Precisely my thought.

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Looks a little over sharpened, to me. That would enhance the noise.
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Looks a little over sharpened, to me. That would enhance the noise.
That too.
He's done about as much as he can to bring up the noise, all things considered.

Anyone who thinks these cameras are noisy, here's a challenge.
Take the noisiest image that you have and make a picture from it.
See how much of the noise goes away.
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Maybe it is because I started in the film era, but I don't mind the noise on the K7 at all. Looks a lot like film grain to me. Particularly on a black and white photo, it can actually enhance the photo.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rondec Quote
Maybe it is because I started in the film era, but I don't mind the noise on the K7 at all. Looks a lot like film grain to me. Particularly on a black and white photo, it can actually enhance the photo.
I feel much the same way. I shoot at 800 and 1600 quite a bit with my K10D, which everyone says has unacceptable noise, and and happy with the results. There are programs like Noisware which do a pretty good job of removing it but I rarely use it. It could be my aging vision or maybe I'm not just not fussy enough.

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ISO 1000 w/ my K-7:

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Seems to me that possibly henryjing has only had his K-7 a few days and perhaps needs to spend a little more time with it in order to know how to get the best out of it. Took me quite a long time myself.
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Seems to me that possibly henryjing has only had his K-7 a few days and perhaps needs to spend a little more time with it in order to know how to get the best out of it. Took me quite a long time myself.
♠Rule #1: Don't under expose. Ever.
If any camera needs to be exposed to the right, it's the K7.
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I'm wondering how you guys are seeing much noise at all at the posted size. I can't for the life of me see anything I'd call "horrible" here.
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I'm wondering how you guys are seeing much noise at all at the posted size. I can't for the life of me see anything I'd call "horrible" here.
Me neither. I think Jeweltrail was right. Sarcasm..

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Yea, I have a hard time believing that the above photo was made at ISO 800. As jct said it looks like a JPEG that has had a little too much done to it. I have seen RAW files from the K7 that look much better then this, so I think something is a miss.
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That's definitely a JPEG that they thought they could do some RAW style work on. I've seen this happen before on my old photos before I really knew what RAW was.
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