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Manual: Solenoid Replacment Pentax K-30/50/500 + Discharge of flash-condenser
Posted By: photogem, 06-13-2019, 07:25 PM

Solenoid replacement: Pentax K-30 K-50 + K-500
(K-S1 Repairmanual you find HERE , K-S2 and K-70 are pretty similar to K30/50!)


Tools:

- Soldering iron with pencil-tip: Ersa Multi-Pro 20W or soldering needle/USB soldering iron.
..(Butan-gas soldering-iron = An absolute No-Go! Too hot, it will do damage!)
- Solder: Good quality thin resin flux solder (I use thin leaded solder, for such a small work it is not really dangerous due to its lead-content) - 1x Screwdriver JIS 000 or PH00 + PH000 (JIS is better, Pentax screws are JIS!)
- 1x Tweezers or precision pliers
- Headlamp is useful!
- Photos of all sides of K30/50/500


Preparation:

Print out the photos with the location of the screws, glue them on cardboard and drill 1.5 - 2mm holes where the screws are located. Thus you can place all of the screws into those holes because they are of different length:



Magnetize the tip of your screwdriver (there is no danger to the camera!) so the screws "stick"to the tip of the screwdriver. Make sure the body-cap covers the opening of the lens-mount for protection of the sensor etc.!

Take the battery out and open the pop-up flash.
Attention: Be careful that you don't charge the flash-condenser, you should anyway discharge it later on (or at least don't touch it) This black condenser is situated left to the AF/C/M- switch. The Plus (+) contact is to the front, minus (-)sits behind. The danger isn't in touching the Plus-contact but in touching the circuit-board above:

On the photo you see the
blue wire which carries the high voltage of the flash-condenser!


Discharge of the flash-condenser:

Best done with an old fashioned wolfram-filament ca. 60W light-bulb (or a 1 - 1,6 k ohms/10W resistor). A Light-bulb is better because you see the discharge! Solder some insulated wires directly onto the light bulb or on a lamp-socket and insulate any contacts! Have the other ends of the wires 0.5 cm bare (soldered). With one of those wire-ends you touch the metal K-bayonet (which is minus) and with the other end, you touch the front contact ofthe flash-condenser (Remember, this goes for the K30/50/500! For other Pentax DSLR make sure you identify which contacts are plus and minus!) The light bulb will illuminate until the condenser is discharged. The other option is to remove the battery and leave the camera without it for at least 48 hours. The condenser will discharge within that time. The photo shows how I discharge the condenser: I use measuring cables because I do it more often.




Sequence of opening the body: (Body-cap on the body!)

1. Remove all screws from the bottom part. Do not forget the long silver screw inside of the battery compartment! When the bottom-part is off, you can see one small screw next to the grey battery holder, it belongs to the frontpart. Take that one off as well and make sure you don’t forget this one later!



2. Remove all screws from the frontpart: (The small one on the bottom is already out!)

There are 3 screws on the left side (2 of them hidden underneath the rubber, this rubber you can remove completly):




Then there are 2 screws on the right (grip-) side, the upper one hidden as well, you just partly remove the rubber here so you get this one out:


3. Take all screws of the top part: 1 screw on each side where you fix the strap and 3 screws unterneath the pop-up-flash (which you opened without battery, remember!).
The K50/500 has only 2 screws here)

and then 2 screws on the backside behind the rubber-eyepiece:




You have to lift the top part slightly so it doesn't hold the front-part anymore. But don't lift it off completely! This lifting of about 1 cm is important because otherwise you will find it more difficult assembling the front part back into its position and adjusting the external part of the AF-S-C-M-switch to its internal counterpart!


Also you have much better access to the left pink wire on the solenoid. If you would lift the top part off completely you have to be very careful, there are critical wires and one flat ribbon wire which can easily get damaged.


4. Lift the front-part off.
Have the AF-switch on position AF-S = upwards
but ..the inner counterpart opposite = downwards
and check this again before you later place the front part back into its position!
In almost every K-30/50 etc. repaired by myself I found that this inner part moves.
So this is crucial!



In AF-S position the screw-drive-mechanism pushes through that tiny hole in the bayonet to drive the AF of the lens! In C-position as well.
In M-position it moves back, so the lens is in manual position. Best to move the AF switch a few times to understand its function!


The AF-S-C/M-switch in AF-S-position:

You can clearly see, the screwdrive-mechanism extents out of the small hole!


Here the inner side of the external part of the AF-S C/M-switch:: The metal rod has to fit exactly onto the inner part of the switch! If you follow the steps as explained nothing to worry about!

below this rod you can see also this tiny ball which stops in those 3 different positions AF/C/M.
Make sure you don't lose it (it sits there pretty well jammed, so very unlikely to go lose)



Exchange of Solenoid:

Place the body on a soft tissue with the LCD-display downwards, the side of the grip facing towards yourself. Now you have a good view on to the solenoid itself
(and a headlamp would be useful!).



a) Unsolder the two wires (pink and lilac) off the solenoid. With the pliers, you hold the wire, then a short contact with the tip of the hot soldering iron. Not too long because you don't want to melt the PET plastic of the green solenoid nor later the PTFE of the white solenoid!

b) Unscrew the solenoid. The solenoid is fixed with a tiny screw on the right, left to it it sits on a plastic mandrel. It is fixed as well with red thread-locking-lacquer. On the bottom you can see the plunger which sits on the metal lever.
- With a very small flat screwdriver, you go behind the metal top part of the solenoid to get it loose.

- Then you grap it with tweezers on the top metal-body and tilt it forward and take the plunger off the lever it sits on.

- Don't touch the 2 coils, the copperwire is sensitive! You've got the green gremlin out. You can see very clearly one of the reasons it works bad: The two coils are not parallel but the plunger has to move within those 2 coils:





c) Now place a tiny amount of solder onto the ends of those two (pink and lilac) wires which have to be soldered back onto the pins of the new solenoid.

d) Built in the white solenoid. Place it first with the plunger onto the lever (green arrow) and make sure the solenoid sits on this plastic mandrel (small red arrow):




e) Carefully insert the tiny screw and tighten it:



You can add some thread-locking-lacquer as well or just use some nail-varnish. Solder the wires back on.
- Make sure each time you solder, you clean the tip of our soldering-iron first, you don't want to bring burned carbon residue into the melted solder.
- Make sure as well, that the solder really melts, don't just "glue" it, solder it! Solder has to "flow"!

- Make sure that the wires and particular the left pink wire are soldered onto the pins from the left side and not from the front. There is very little space for the wires as soon as the top-part is placed back on its place:


- Then check that the wires are tight. For this you hold the wire with tweezers and pull gently. It must hold well! (If necessary google how to solder)


- Now bring first the front-part back into position! Make sure you have the external part of the AF-S/M-switch on AF-S and the inner counterpart downwards so the screwdrive-mechanism is extended.

- Only then* push the top part of the camera back into its position and fix it with 2 of its screws!
*If you would start with the top-part as many show on their videos, you have to jam the frontpart in with the risk of badly squeezing the wires! You want to avoid this!


Function-Test: Close the flash! Put the battery into the battery-compartment, plug an AF lens onto the body, switch your Pentax on and take some pictures with a low aperture value (such as f2, 2,8, 3,5 or even lower depending on your lens). You can see the solenoid in action each time you take a photo.

Check again that the AF-S-C-M switch works!

(If not, the alignement wasn't done proberly, easy to fix now, you don't want to find out a bad alignment after you assembled the complete body!

Take the lens off, battery out and then open the pop-up flash again so you can screw the 3 (2 for the K50/500) screws there back in and continue with all the other screws. Don't forget the tiny screw next to the batterylever and the long screw inside the battery-compartment!





If it's the K50/500 you repair, take care as well with the rubberdoor which closes the USB-connector:






Part II:

How to chose the right solenoid?


Several approaches have been tried, such as:

1. Exchange of the solenoid with the white colored "made in Japan" solenoid used in early DSLR bodies (the only real way!)

2. Exchange with the green colored "made in China" solenoid to be found cheaply on evilBay (Repeating error)

3. Sanding/filing the plunger of the existing solenoid not such a good idea

4. Soldering the plunger of the existing solenoid: Very bad idea!

5. Selecting solenoids from CD/DVD-ROM drives: Very bad idea


6. Selecting solenoids from SLR Pentax bodies: Bad idea


1. This is after all the only long term satisfying method. All solenoids which were made in Japan have worked for long times and there were no reported issues that one of them ever failed. They were first introduced for the old analog SLR bodies but with small differences in size and holding-force and sometimes opposite polarization. You want those which were used in the earlier Pentax DSLR bodies such as:

*ist D, *ist DS (Samsung GX1), *ist DS2(Samsung GX1s), K100D, K110D, K200D, K-m (2000), K-x, K-r (all those have 2 solenoids built in: One in the aperture circuit, one in the flash circuit).

The made in Japan solenoid was also used in the K10D (Samsung GX10) and K20D(Samsung GX20).
High shutter count was achieved with them and never any reported solenoid failure. Those were then the cream-of-the-crop!



The body of the green made in China solenoid is made out of PET. The white made in Japan solenoid uses PTFE (Teflon), a superior and much longer lasting material. The green solenoid was first sometimes applied in the flash compartment of some (not all!) Pentax K100D, K110D, K200D, K-m, K-x and K-r (it seems mostly Europe). The first body with the green solenoid used in the aperture-circuit was the Pentax K30. It was the K30, followed by the K50 and K500 which stirred up users because of pictures almost completely dark i.e. underexposed: The reason was the plunger of the solenoid remaining stuck to the hold of the permanent magnet which sits in the small long sleeve on top of the two coils. Those 2 coils act as an electromagnet, producing an opposing magnetic field to the existing magnetic field of the permanent magnet. When this magnetic field in annulled, the plunger moves out according to the readings of a small sensor reading the applied aperture. There is a defined holding force of the permanent magnet in relation of how much the plunger can be magnetized.

It has been measured, that the holding force of the "green made in China solenoid" is larger than the holding force of the white "made in Japan" solenoid. This is also very easy to just "sense" when one pulls the plunger out of the body of the white solenoid compared with the green solenoid. The difference is pretty obvious. You need much more force for the plunger of the green solenoid.


Here you can see one difference between the older SLR solenoid and the correct early DSLR Japan-Solenoid:
The earlier analog SLR versions release that tiny bit quicker (even less holding force) but also they sit with a minimal tilt when built in into a Pentax DSLR and thus the plunger sits slightly tilted on the aperture-control-mechanism:




Compared to this 100% accurate straight line of a 'DSLR white made in Japan solenoid':




I myself and a few others in Europe also came across opposite polarized solenoids in the MZ-Series. This is very easy to check: The left contact (solenoid in K30 aperture mechanism!) pink wire is plus (+),the right contact (lilac) is minus (-). Solder long wires onto the pins, connect them for a short moment to a 3V battery: If the plunger can be pulled out without almost zero resistance: Polarity is correct. If the plunger sits even tighter: Opposite polarization. But even then they can be used but one has either to change the wires in the Pentax or adding length to the pink left wire so it can be soldered to the right side.

I have found correct polarized solenoids on MZ50 and MZ7 "made in Japan", but opposite polarized solenoids in those assembled in Philippines. It seems most MZ-Series Pentax' sold to Europe were assembled in the Philippines. I have not invested further because the solenoid from the early DSLR bodies anyway is better. The price for a damaged *ist or K100D is pretty much the same as for a MZ-series. So why bother!
The extra low holding-force often leads to the opposite of ABF: The plunger stays "open" and all photos are overexposed. Also misalignement of the complex mechanism can happen, similar to the sanded plunger of the green solenoid, in worst cases unrepairable, in good cases expect about 14 hours extra work because deep disassembly is then what you have to take on!

Using the DSLR "made in Japan white solenoid" is the only save way to allow the aperture mechanism not to fail again!

2: It is obvious that this method by using the same faulty solenoid again is prone to fail again. Nothing more needs to be said about this method. It would be rather silly to take on all this work of disassembling your K30, 50 etc but only do it half hearted and cheap. Repetition of the same problem.

This brings us to
3: Sanding, filing even grinding the plunger. This method was invented in Russia and promised a cheap and safe way to go. It is applied by some repair-shops, but there have been reported problems! A camera is a precision instrument and the sanding / filing solution introduces more problems than it fixes.

To achieve a similar holding force such as the white made in Japan solenoid guarantees this method changes the movement of the plunger in the already cheaper and easier to be worn out PET body of the green solenoid. A tilted plunger can eventually lead to a complete blockade of the mechanism: See the next photos of how tilted the plunger of the green solenoid sits compared to the straightness of the white made in Japan solenoid:




The mechanism which the solenoid brings into action is itself quite complicated and demands the solenoid to work very precise:




With sanding the plunger quite often the wheels get stuck or get de-arranged.
The plunger tilts even more:




If a sanded solenoid does more damage, you need to replace the complete socalled diaphragm-control-block : A very complicated undertaking! Changing the solenoid is almost peanuts compared to this work. It takes about 14 hours and one needs to know a lot to take this on!
An almost complete disassembly of the camera!

In March 2017 I took those photos to show the difference between the green and white solenoid:





One can clearly see that the plunger of the green solenoid has more "play" to all sides, i.e. it will already move with less guidance. The body with the 2 coils acts as a kind of bearing. The plunger moves in and out of this bearing. With more play there is more danger of tilt which is enhanced when filing/grinding the plunger.

Also very clearly visible: Corrosion on the plunger. The material of the green "made in China" solenoid is not of the same quality as the material used with the white solenoid. If there is corrosion where the plunger sits on the lever, there will be as much corrosion on the parts which are filed/sanded!

I came across a many K30/50's with "sanded plungers". And on a few I did notice corrosion when grinding was applied.

4: The method of applying solder to the plunger and file excess solder away is not to be recommended at all. Very bad idea!
The idea itself is similar as in method #3, i.e. to bring the plunger that amount away from the magnetic field of the permanent magnet and thus decrease the holding force. But this will push the plunger further downwards, its position on the aperture control mechanism is then far from ideal and the mechanism is getting strained too much! It will lead to further failure even quicker than the cheap sanding method. I never tried it because logically it made no sense, but I got one K30 for repair and thus had the chance to disassemble it complety. Never again!

There is another method I have tried, decreasing the size of the magnet. Well, this is the most stupid thing you can do because the magnet will quickly detoriate! I also tried exchanging magnets: No luck either: Failure. Swapping plungers will not work, nor demagnetising. Don't even think of applying grease, graphite or WD40!

5: Beware of solenoids from DVD-ROM and CD-ROM Drives! They are usually blue colored and are made in China as well. They have usually another impedance (usually 15 ohms) which can lead to damage on the main-board of your Pentax as well as dead coils.I have come across one single solenoid from a Sony walkman: Not quite the same as in the Pentax DSLR and too strong holding force either.

Also forget any of those solenoids offered on ebay! The two side-pins are missing, the tiny wires of the coils which normally are soldered onto those side-pins are soldered onto the two upwards-facing pins. Because the green PET plastic has a much lower melting point than the PTFE of the Japan-solenoid, the PET melts very quickly and then you have a loose pin. You don't want that pin all the sudden 'dangling' in your Pentax:


Here a short video showing the solenoid in action


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Excellent manual, photogem, even though I probably wouldn't dare this kind of camera surgery myself.

Two "follow-up questions" (pretty obvious, really, but just for the record):
  1. How much money does it save Ricoh to use the inferior-quality selenoid?
  2. If they know that the China-made selenoids are likely to fail on the users of the affected Pentax models, often, it would seem, when the cameras have just dropped out of warranty and therefore causing a lot of distress to the owners, why do they still keep using them?
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Thanks.


I explained it just recently HERE

Ricoh did something about it. It isn't that easy. I have their latest solenoid on my worktable and inspected it, I need a bit more time and will write more about it.
It is different but not yet perfect. Basically they cannot have back their white solenoid anymore, I wrote a bit how this happened with Telefunken HERE . This is how it works these days.
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@photogem,

Bravo! Although I do not have any of the affected cameras, I am always thankful to people who document their repairs in such detail and precision.

- Craig

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I have revised the manual and added new photos to make things more clear.
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Successfully followed this outstanding tutorial, replacing my K30 solenoid with a K10 donor one. Soldering was the most tricky part, luckily I had a pencil iron (and some experience from my other hobby: modelrail). The green solenoid taken out didn't seem so asymmetric as the one shown here, perhaps there are/were also quality differences in the green ones? My K30 started having symptoms after six and half years.
Thanks again Photogem!

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Well done!

Asymmetry isn't really the (main) problem. Maybe you compared the holding force, checking about the difference of how much force you needed to pull out the plunger
of the green and then the white solenoid?
This is the most obvious, almost everybody could tell the difference then right away, it's pretty obvious!

The differences, i.e. changes for the better came with the late K50 and all Pentax bodies (with solenoid) after December 2015, you can read here about it:
A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY: Development of the solenoid in Pentax cameras - PentaxForums.com
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Interesting read that one! Can't compare side to side anymore. Had been hoping to escape with my K30 after some 4-5 years of good service, as most of the fails seemed to occur within 2-3 years, but alas. However, I took over two batteries and a charger locally and the guy told me his K30 failed at 5 years.
But good experience this!

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The failures occur particular often when the camera is not used for a longer time!

Another failure as well: If the camera is stored without the battery, the back-up battery (either a rechargeable MS 414 from Seiko or an Elna Supercap) is going to be drained. I guess the ELNA Supercap will last better, the Seiko is Li-Ion and we know too well what happens when they discharge too strongly!
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Double trouble!!

I acquired a K30 to fix, and then this morning my KS2 displayed block fail symptoms (and I used it only last night to take moon pics ).

I feel pretty happy about taking on the fix, I have 2 solenoids from a disassembled K-r, one white one green. Do you think the green solenoid is ok for one of these cameras, or would I be better getting a solenoid out of a film MZ5/MZ50 (immediately available off ebay cheap, no sign of a 1st/K100 etc anywhere).
Update just remembered I have a junk pentax A3, does this have the solenoid in?


Great job on the write up btw. appreciated.

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The white solenoid of your K-r is perfect.
The green one in the flash-mechanism is useless, it is the same one you've got in your K-S2 and K-30, so by all means no.

The solenoid in the MZ5 will not fit at all, it is completly different.

I don't recommend those from other MZ's, I have explained it in my tutorial, not worth the risk.
If you wish to do it well, find another DLSR white Japan solenoid.
Plenty of Pentax *ist starting from the D, Samsung GX1/10/20, Pentax K10/20/100/110/200/Km/Kx/Kr
Bit of patience and with most of them you have 2 perfect solenoids.
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I'm sure you're right photogem

KS2 is working again (but probably on borrowed time, if this has occurred once then its going to happen again), I'll go ahead and do the K30 for the moment.
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Victory! One more resurrected K30, utilising the good white solenoid from the disassembled K-r I've had in the cupboard for 4 yrs.
Took about an hour. As you say photogem, it's not that difficult. Does have a certain intimidation factor, opening up a camera, all those wires, all those parts. Plenty of scope for disaster...

A few observations and pics.
- I used a very small flathead screwdriver, then a slightly larger one, around the break in the casings to ease off the front. Just sufficiently in the break then twist. It's awkward to grasp if you don't do something like this.But don't carelessly push the screwdriver through and prang something...
- Unscrewing (and screwing on) the solenoid is when you might zap yourself off the capacitor, as you automatically put a hand on that side to resist the pressure of your screwdriver. Screwdriver is at an angle and you need to apply good pressure. And it would be quite easy to insufficiently tighten the screw, leaving the mounting of the replacement solenoid a bit loose.
- Pic 1 shows my use of a paper clip with a hooked end to hold the solenoid.
- I did a practice run with a cold iron, resting the iron holding hand on a case and seeing what angle was best. I just have a simple 30W pencil iron with a new pencil tip. Unsoldering went easily. The trick to soldering is to get the wire positioned/held so that it is naturally pushing against the pin. Then when the iron is held against the pin, the solder melts and the wire end naturally merges with the blob. The pink wire first, then the purple. The ends are already tinned from being soldered. Pic 2 shows the results.
- pic 3 shows the AFC-AFS-MF mechanism. The arrowed piece moves freely when the casing is detached. S is the slot the pin needs to engage in.
- and don't forget the one screw underneath first before putting the base back on.


And a pic from the garden with a sigma superwide II.
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QuoteOriginally posted by marcusBMG Quote
Victory! One more resurrected K30, utilising the good white solenoid from the disassembled K-r I've had in the cupboard for 4 yrs.
well done!

QuoteOriginally posted by marcusBMG Quote
Took about an hour. As you say photogem, it's not that difficult. Does have a certain intimidation factor, opening up a camera, all those wires, all those parts. Plenty of scope for disaster...
An hour is not bad for the first time.

QuoteOriginally posted by marcusBMG Quote
A few observations and pics.
- I used a very small flathead screwdriver, then a slightly larger one, around the break in the casings to ease off the front. Just sufficiently in the break then twist. It's awkward to grasp if you don't do something like this.But don't carelessly push the screwdriver through and prang something...
I never needed this kind of help, not even with the K-S1 or K-S2/K-70, all three have the front-part more tight fitted, the K30/50/500 are all pretty easy to open I find.

QuoteOriginally posted by marcusBMG Quote
- Unscrewing (and screwing on) the solenoid is when you might zap yourself off the capacitor, as you automatically put a hand on that side to resist the pressure of your screwdriver.
There is no danger in zapping yourself if you follow my instructions and discharge the flash-capacitor. Not a good idea to leave that out!

QuoteOriginally posted by marcusBMG Quote
Screwdriver is at an angle and you need to apply good pressure. And it would be quite easy to insufficiently tighten the screw, leaving the mounting of the replacement solenoid a bit loose
.
This is why I recommend the JIS screwdrivers! They are superior to Philips or ... which would be worse, a flathead screwdriver.
A JIS sits almost as well as a Torx! Not quite of course, torx is the very best.

QuoteOriginally posted by marcusBMG Quote
The trick to soldering is to get the wire positioned/held so that it is naturally pushing against the pin. Then when the iron is held against the pin, the solder melts and the wire end naturally merges with the blob.
My impression seeing the photo of yours is that the right purple wire is not touching the pin but that there seems to be a gap filled with solder.
The soldering joints themselves look fine. One should avoid having gaps because solder itself then could break that bit easier away, it is softer.
So if you all the sudden have the dark-image-syndrom again, then most likely the purple wire came off. Lets hope it won't!
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@photogem You saved my K-50 as well!

THANK YOU! For this nice tutorial

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