Quote: Well, you asked.
I did, and thank you for the detailed answer!
Again, I'm just asking for clarification and discussing with the purpose to discuss: I do not mean to stir the pot or rock the boat, I'm just curious and interested in the answers and people's thoughts on this:
Originally posted by Bart It's something that grew and was amended over time.
As far as I see it, the intend was to get sort of a level playing field.
You could indeed discuss this over and over.
The fact that the dimensions are limited already makes for a certain levelling effect, I think. This puts the emphasis more on composition than on sheer IQ.
However with the larger sensors/negatives, you get a larger dynamic range. Can have an impact on the overall quality of the picture.
Have a look at the
first contest.
There was some 'discontent' about some opening for larger non-(D)SLR's along the way and when I got the chance, I amended the rules: see
contest #25
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A note about the rules: we have had some discussions about the cameras to use. Up till now, the rules stated that anything but a SLR or DSLR was allowed. This strikes me and others as strange in a contest named "Point & Shoot contest". So, there was a difference between the spirit and the letter of the rules.
I did make a change, trying to bring clarity to this matter. We don't want a M9 or later on a 645D to enter the P&S contest, now do we.
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I'm not disputing that a 645D would be the wrong thing for this contest, but that's an SLR anyway. I think View cameras and SLR/DSLR cameras of all types should be ineligible. But my real question is about disallowing all medium format. I mean, how is this camera not a point and shoot:
I mean yes, the larger format has some advantages, but it's not TtL viewing, nor is it in any way any more sophisticated than other cameras eligible for the contest. I mean, if the point is to get good results from equipment that has limited control, this would definitely qualify, and yet it's disqualified on the pure basis of its frame size. I think it would keep a level playing field to allow old box cameras and folders a chance to play. Heck, the blanket "No medium or large format" rule means you can't use a
Polaroid either!
I also think Medium Format rangefinders (Like a Mamiya 7) would tilt the field, and would elect to keep them out. But then, don't Leica rangefinders have an unfair advantage in a P&S contest, too?
This all points back to the original question, which although you gave me a very detailed answer, I'm still fuzzy on.
What is the intent of the point and shoot contest? 1. To get good results from cameras with few or no manual controls.
This would mean trying to get great results from cameras without the ability to tweak or shoot manually. Just "let the camera do its thing." This would disqualify most (or all) rangefinders, view cameras, SLRs, and even some compact digitals like the Panasonic LX3 and the Canon Powershot G11, not to mention EVIL/MILC cameras like the Olympus Pen EP-1/EP-2 and Sony NEX3/NEX5 series. Oddly the Pentax 110 SLRs would still be okay under this rule, but not the minoltas.
2. To get good results from cameras with small imaging sensors or film frames.
Well, this one is easy. 35mm or smaller, period, right? This (Wrongly) disqualifies all MF box/folding cameras. No Brownies, no folding cameras, no Kodak Duaflexes, not even a Polaroid. This
would allow APS-C and FF Film and Digital SLRs and Rangefinders, and all manner of other stuff, including Mirrorless cameras like the NEX3/NEX5 and EP-1/EP-2. This isn't what we want.
3. To get good results from cameras for which you can't see the result in the viewfinder (Non-TtL Viewing.)
Well, this could work...this would allow all rangefinders (medium and large format) and all true point-and-shoot film cameras with a seperate viewfinder. Oddly it would also allow TLRs, as you don't look through the taking lens. It also disallows all live-view Point-and-shoot digitals.
I don't think any of these three approaches is what we really want. What we have in place right now is something of a mish-mash, and I mostly agree with the rules, except for the complete ban on medium format.
Defining what is and what is not a point and shoot is like being a dog with a shock collar in a yard with an invisible fence. You can't see the line, but you know when you've crossed it.