Forgot Password
Pentax Camera Forums Home
 

Reply
Show Printable Version Search this Thread
06-25-2011, 03:02 PM   #16
Pentaxian
Mistral75's Avatar

Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Paris
Posts: 2,781
See attachment: a larger sensor would fit in Q mount. May be as large as the 2.6 crop factor sensor to be used in the rumoured Nikon mirrorless camera.

So the second mirrorless from Pentax could be with Q mount and a larger sensor (not as large as APS-C though).

Attached Images
 

Last edited by Mistral75; 06-25-2011 at 04:02 PM.
06-25-2011, 03:28 PM   #17
Pentaxian
RonHendriks1966's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2009
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 8,556
QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
See attachement: a larger sensor woult fit in Q mount. May be as large as the 2.6 crop factor sensor to be used in the rumoured Nikon mirrorless camera.

So the second mirrorless from Pentax could be with Q mount and a larger sensor (not as large as APS-C though).
I do see this as a possibility. Coult it be that this second mirrorless system would be joining another system? Joining m43 or even Samsung's NX with new body and limited new lenses but using allready excisting lenses from other partners in the system.
06-25-2011, 03:40 PM   #18
Forum Member




Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Texas
Photos: Albums
Posts: 90
QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
See attachement: a larger sensor woult fit in Q mount. May be as large as the 2.6 crop factor sensor to be used in the rumoured Nikon mirrorless camera.

So the second mirrorless from Pentax could be with Q mount and a larger sensor (not as large as APS-C though).
Is that a finger-print on the sensor?!
06-25-2011, 04:22 PM   #19
Site Supporter
Aristophanes's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
Photos: Albums
Posts: 3,790
QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
Pentax should present something right now or train will be gone...Forever.
You don't know squat about markets.

The clock for Pentax and an APS-C mirrorless is not really about Pentax.

It's about Canon and Nikon.

Think about it. They dominate. They have not yet sen a pervasive argument to cannibalize existing DSLR sales chasing a small form factor. The history of shrinking form factors for cameras gets to a point of diminishing returns. not everyone wants a teeny little camera. They want a grip and some heft in the lens, and they are willing to pay big$$$ for that. The most money BY FAR in this industry is made on the higher-end, larger cameras and lenses. Even the uber-flaky Leica is apparently (finally) turning a profit after 40 years, in part because they sell the M9 brick and the S2 line.

What Canikon do is critical because they swing the market for the higher-end bodies and glass. The Pentax market is forged from legacy purchasers who look for value in mid to higher-end gear, especially glass. Higher-end purchasers where the big money is are generally conservative buyers, not known for trending.

The amount of "it's all or nothing" in this forum regarding sales is bizarre. The market for cameras has NEVR been like what you describe. Never. Even when SLR began to dominate in the 1970's, rangefinders AND viewfinders road the coattails to even higher sales with some of the best RF's ever made coming out in that time period.

06-26-2011, 12:27 AM - 1 Like   #20
juu
Veteran Member
juu's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 680
QuoteOriginally posted by Aristophanes Quote
It's about Canon and Nikon.

Think about it. They dominate. They have not yet sen a pervasive argument to cannibalize existing DSLR sales chasing a small form factor.
History is full of companies failing to get on the next big thing to avoid cannibalizing their existing cash cows.

Instead of necessarily prescribing clairvoyance to Canikon one might as well assume it is corporate hubris, inertia and myopia.
06-26-2011, 01:17 AM   #21
ogl
Pentaxian
ogl's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Siberia
Photos: Gallery | Albums
Posts: 7,114
Original Poster
QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote

So the second mirrorless from Pentax could be with Q mount and a larger sensor (not as large as APS-C though).
Maybe, but it will be in another body. Bigger. Don't forget about SR.

Last edited by ogl; 06-26-2011 at 09:17 AM.
06-26-2011, 01:37 AM   #22
Pentaxian
RonHendriks1966's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2009
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 8,556
QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
Maybe, but it will be in another body. Bigger. Don't forget about SR.
Well the body should be different to sell it to a different usergroup.

Could this be with a sensor like the talk is about Nikon and making it a snappy fast camera with hi framerate and fast internal handling of data.

A kind of a bitchy Queen!
06-26-2011, 01:43 AM   #23
Veteran Member




Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Canberra
Photos: Gallery | Albums
Posts: 739
QuoteOriginally posted by pxpaulx Quote
Just for your own reference as well OGL, on 4/26/11 at 2:31AM CST you posted the following, in reference to a Pentax Rep stating there would be not one, but two mirrorless Pentax systems released this year:

The words from offical Pentax. Not rumors.

Care to elaborate on how you've changed your mind since then? If you know something we don't, care to share it? (I mean, beyond rampant speculation...)
The silence is deafening isn't it pxpaulx ?

But - gotta give credit where credits due - His trying to keep a lot of plates spinning at the moment, what with all the "Q-angst" across so many threads....

I'm sure he'll be in here soon to set us all straight... 23 times...

06-26-2011, 06:38 AM   #24
Senior Member




Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 172
QuoteOriginally posted by Adam Quote
What's almost certain is that they won't be releasing a k-mount mirrorless camera because it wouldn't end up being much smaller than an SLR (because of the sensor separation requirement), but as far as a third system goes, it's unlikely but possible.
For small physical size there's Q. There are benefits to mirrorless besides size. It should be easier to make, with few moving parts. You can augment an electronic display with information in ways that you can't with an optical viewfinder. And it can be made a bit smaller and lighter: not as small and light as a Q, but an improvement over a K-r, and worth having given that it still delivers a large, high IQ sensor and lets us use our existing high IQ lenses.
06-26-2011, 08:30 AM   #25
Inactive Account




Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 44
Think of this at a cheap stab at the crowd that post facebook photos and youtube videos.

Hoya already had everything in place to make CCTV lens for security system, most of these lens have f-stop brighter than 1.4. I think most of the lens will come in focal lens that are common in CCTV.

This is a project that is probably very fast to bring to market and appeals to a social need rather than photographic quality.
06-26-2011, 09:08 AM   #26
Veteran Member
macTak's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2010
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 759
QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
second mirrorless from Pentax could be with Q mount and a larger sensor (not as large as APS-C though).
That might explain the relative bulk and somewhat weak specs of the current lenses-they can cover a larger image circle. I know pentax said they were designed for this camera, but that can be marketing speak. When someone actually gets the lenses, we shall see what their image circle is really like. If there is not any more coverage, then we won't see a larger sensor Q, if there is, then the possibility remains open in Pentax's mind.

Also, as I said on another thread, note imaging-resource's speculation that the "Q" of the Q-mount stands for "Queen", akin to how the K of the K-mount stood for "King". If this is indeed so, then it suggests to me that the other rumored mirror-less from Pentax will not have another completely new mount. After all, the other mirror-less is rumored to be APS-C, and hence have a larger size, so that would have made much more sense as the "Queen" than the tiny size of the just-announced system. So perhaps then the other mirror-less will have the K-mount, or at least some redesigned version of the K-mount such that they feel they can still refer to it under the banner of the K-mount. Some could take this to suggest no other Pentax mirrorless is forthcoming; I still trust in the word that we'd see two mirrorless cameras this year. But now I don't expect as much to see another totally new mount.

Of course, Q could stand for something entirely different (Quirky etc)....
06-26-2011, 09:31 AM   #27
Forum Member




Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Kosice
Posts: 85
i think there will be another Q mount camera with bigger senzor later this year, or in the end of year.
06-26-2011, 09:34 AM   #28
ogl
Pentaxian
ogl's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Siberia
Photos: Gallery | Albums
Posts: 7,114
Original Poster
QuoteOriginally posted by zelovoc Quote
i think there will be another Q mount camera with bigger senzor later this year, or in the end of year.
Said at video presentation that lenses are optimized for 1/2.3" sensor.
06-26-2011, 09:53 AM   #29
Veteran Member




Join Date: May 2009
Location: Twin Cities, MN
Posts: 2,869
QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
Said at video presentation that lenses are optimized for 1/2.3" sensor.
Oh, I see what you did there
06-26-2011, 10:25 AM   #30
Veteran Member
ihasa's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: West Midlands
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 2,054
QuoteOriginally posted by MMVIII Quote
Well you definitely do... I have heard you.

But: I say Pentax-Q is Hoya's view of a compact mirrorless system.
Which leads to: K-mirrorless has not to pursue miniaturisation,
which opens the option of a small mirrorless with standard K-mount (or a shorter KS with a detachable adaptor, allowing the use of other mounts).
Having a thin camera like a NEX etc. becomes (almost) of no value as soon as you attach regular size lenses.
Totally agree! Some sort of k.mount SLT camera seems more likely now, rather than another NEX type. I'm sure Pentax could come out with a new lens system quite easily, but I don't think it would make sense from a marketing pov.
Reply

Bookmarks
  • Submit Thread to Facebook Facebook
  • Submit Thread to Twitter Twitter
  • Submit Thread to Digg Digg
Tags - Make this thread easier to find by adding keywords to it!
cameras, digital camera, hoya, lenses, mirrorless, month, pentax, pentax cameras, point and shoot, system
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
New mirrorless Leica system announced for 2012 rparmar Non-Pentax Cameras: Canon, Nikon, etc. 37 10-26-2011 05:10 AM
Images leak out of Pentax NC mirrorless camera system, makes us long for summertime i83N Pentax News and Rumors 3 03-31-2011 05:12 PM
Pentax mirrorless/Evil system rumors!? Adam B. Pentax News and Rumors 323 10-27-2010 08:42 AM
Pentax is investigating a mirrorless system camera falconeye Pentax News and Rumors 172 04-01-2010 01:03 PM
Samsung GX fullframe mirrorless camera system? amonsul Pentax News and Rumors 46 11-12-2009 05:37 AM



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:02 AM. | See also: NikonForums.com, part of our network of photo forums!
  • Red (Default)
  • Green
  • Gray
  • Dark
  • Dark Yellow
  • Dark Blue
  • Old Red
  • Old Green
  • Old Gray
  • Dial-Up Style
Hello! It's great to see you back on the forum! Have you considered joining the community?
register
Creating a FREE ACCOUNT takes under a minute, removes ads, and lets you post! [Dismiss]
Top