Originally posted by Anton Magus Arguably the Kodak Medallist from pre-World War II was also a point & shoot, although it did have some aperture and shutter speed
adjustments and focus adjustment (under 10 feet or over 10 feet).
The thing on the top between the film winder knob and the viewfinder is the exposure calculator. Pretty sophisticated in 1936.
Pocketable? Well perhaps if you had a very big pocket but the camera weighs in at over 3 pounds...
Nevertheless by modern criteria we would have to allow it as a point & shoot.
I am the proud and very happy owner of a Kodak Medalist, and I think I need to set a few things straight about it.
First, they were introduced in 1941, just in the for the war.
Second, A point and shoot? Hardly! Taking a 6x9cm frame on 620 roll film, the Medalist was every bit a professional camera. The Tank-like medalist was used as a combat camera, and because of it's amazingly sharp Ektar lens and huge frame size, it was used as an aerial reconnaissance camera too, because you could blow up its negatives to map-size.
"Some shutter speed and aperture adjustment" is a massive understatement, as well. The Shutter has Bulb, then goes from 1s on the slow end of the slow speed cam, then through 1/2s, 1/5s, 1/10, 1/25, 1/50, 1/100, 1/200, up to a blazing 1/400, and this is a leaf shutter! The Aperture goes from f/3.5 (A VERY fast 100mm lens for 1941) down to F/32, with no incrementation. If you want to set your lens to F/4-and-a-bit, you can!
Also, the camera does not have an "Over ten feet, under ten feet" focus system. The windows below the main VF are a very wide-base and highly magnified rangefinder, which when it comes down to focus accuracy and precision is every bit the equal of any Leica.
The "Exposure Calculator" between the viewfinder and wind knob is actually just a reminder wheel to let you know what you've got loaded.
The medalist also had a glut of accessories available, including a ground-glass focusing back, sheet film holder, and extension back for Macro.
In 1941, the price for a new medalist was $165. Adjusted for inflation, this figure comes out to $2,416.00.
The Medalist was replaced by the Medalist II In 1946, which had a price of $262 (Adjusted for inflation, $2893.53) and featured flash synchronization and a multi-coated Ektar lens.
As much as I'd love to use the Medalist in the P&S competition, I really do think it'd be unfair, despite the fixed (but incredibly sharp, even by today's standards) 100mm F/3.5 lens and the lack of an internal meter. I've gotten really good pics out of my Medalist...unfortunately they are such high resolution when I scanned them, Flickr won't let me upload them until I shrink them down. Suffice to say, They are amazing.
Looking at the spreadsheet, the Medalist manages to score 14 points. What's the current suggested cutoff?
Another idea for a category:
Price New (Inflation Adjusted)
3 points - under $30
2 points - Under $300 but no less than $31
1 point - Under $700 but no less than $301
0 points - $701 and over
ADDITIONALLY, I agree mostly with Anton, except that I think it should be a category. It, however, shouldn't be the end-all, be-all. There's plenty of unpocketable point and shoots from years past, and I don't like the digital-centric idea that it has to fit comfortably in a pocket.
Then again, the Retina, the first camera to use 35mm film as we know it today, was TINY when folded up, even by today's standards. And that was in 1934! Of course, the Retina wasn't cheap either at $57.50, or $926.00 adjusted for inflation.
I think also we could do with some weight for Film sizes...say, 35mm and below at 2, anything above 35mm up to 6x9cm at 1 point, and anything bigger than 6x9 at 0 points.
Again, none of these by themselves is a reason for exclusion, but they do form an aggregate that we can use as a guide.