What is, and what is NOT, a "Point and shoot?"

Mike Cash · 12-28-2011, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor

So you would want to eliminate anyone who doesn't use a P&S camera casually?!

No, I wouldn't want to. I was always happy with the "no SLR, have fun!" rules. I certainly didn't feel strongly enough about it to bother bringing it up before. Since I didn't own a digital compact and never had the free time to go out and shoot specifically for a certain theme I always had to work from my back stash of film anyway. Never thought to consider that others had an "unfair advantage", though. I had fun my way and felt they should be free to have fun their way.

chubasco · 12-28-2011, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor

So you would want to eliminate anyone who doesn't use a P&S camera casually?!

That is brilliant! We could call it the "personal consumption" contest and every participant would judge their own photos and award their own prizes.

I'm glad you answered, I tried to make my reply come off in a nice way and
was having a problem. Yes, let's eliminate all the newbies that don't have a
vast backlog of photos to draw from...

**jheu02** · 12-28-2011, 08:37 PM

I think it's nice to be able to use archive photos...it's a way to go back and look at them since I rarely print many anymore. But, I do like the "assignment" aspect also, as it's an impetus to bring my camera(s) with me and shoot more, whether for the contest or just personal consumption. Also, seeing how I can approach a certain theme, while being restricted to a compact camera and its limitations.

Mike Cash · 12-28-2011, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by chubasco

I'm glad you answered, I tried to make my reply come off in a nice way and
was having a problem. Yes, let's eliminate all the newbies that don't have a
vast backlog of photos to draw from...

I have no such idea in mind and I hope that it is clear that I don't now and never did in the past.

One thing that has become clear to me from this thread is that there are way too many people who take the contests way too damned seriously. I never took them seriously enough to bring up my thoughts on the subject before, certainly not enough to think that my opinions or concerns should be used to place restrictions on the photographic activities of others....which is what this entire thread has been, sadly enough.

kyteflyer · 12-28-2011, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by ivoire

I'm in favor of this one rule

8. Winner will set up and judge next contest.

Once the winner does so, i would enter or not

Actually... I like that. Don't like the current set of rules? Dopn't go in the contest. Easy.

Originally posted by chubasco

I wouldn't make this Pentax-brand specific, you'd sideline a number of contestants.

True. It would sideline me for some time until...

kyteflyer · 12-28-2011, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by Mike Cash

To throw a new curve ball into the discussion:

I always was of the opinion that only photos pulled from one's pre-existing stash should be allowed in the contests, rather than photos taken specifically for the purpose of entering after the theme had been announced.

I nearly always do that, anyway, its a rare occasion where I am able to be so specific in my shooting (or even sufficiently motivated, come to think of it, for this comp), but I almost always have *something* in the archives. If I don't, I don't enter.

ivoire · 12-29-2011, 06:16 AM - **1 Like**

Quote:

I always was of the opinion that only photos pulled from one's pre-existing stash should be allowed in the contests, rather than photos taken specifically for the purpose of entering after the theme had been announced.

Its a competition so it should be both. I seem to remember one PnS comp where the rule was no photos over 6months old.

Once again, 8. Winner will set up and judge next contest. Thats the 'prize' the winner earns.

chubasco · 12-29-2011, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by ivoire

Once again, 8. Winner will set up and judge next contest. Thats the 'prize' the winner earns.

Ivoire, I like it. Simple, elegant, no heartburn.

Bart · 12-29-2011, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by ivoire

Its a competition so it should be both. I seem to remember one PnS comp where the rule was no photos over 6months old.

Once again, 8. Winner will set up and judge next contest. Thats the 'prize' the winner earns.

Great idea!

But er hm... Isn't this exactly how it has always been?

chubasco · 12-29-2011, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by Bart

Great idea!

But er hm... Isn't this exactly how it has always been?

Now Bart, you didn't have to bring that up, did you? We didn't waste 18 pages
just to get back to square 1.

ivoire · 12-29-2011, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by Bart

Great idea!

But er hm... Isn't this exactly how it has always been?

Bart, Yes! the circle is now complete!

RioRico · 12-29-2011, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by chubasco

We didn't waste 18 pages just to get back to square 1.

O yes we did. It's a fine example of a Human Game, which I define as any activity by which we organize and occupy our time when not doing anything productive. Much time was organized and occupied; much bandwidth and cognition was expended; and it probably ain't over yet. At least soccer hooligans aren't involved.

Bart · 12-29-2011, 12:11 PM

Well, I for one love circles.
They give a sense of completeness

Mike Cash · 12-29-2011, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by RioRico

O yes we did. It's a fine example of a Human Game, which I define as any activity by which we organize and occupy our time when not doing anything productive. Much time was organized and occupied; much bandwidth and cognition was expended; and it probably ain't over yet. At least soccer hooligans aren't involved.

It has indeed been an exercise worthy of any group of mid-level government bureaucrats, hasn't it?

RioRico · 12-29-2011, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by Mike Cash

It has indeed been an exercise worthy of any group of mid-level government bureaucrats, hasn't it?

I was thinking more of RPG gamemasters, minus the pizzas.

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12-28-2011, 04:34 PM	#256
Mike Cash Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Japan Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,950	Originally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor So you would want to eliminate anyone who doesn't use a P&S camera casually?! No, I wouldn't want to. I was always happy with the "no SLR, have fun!" rules. I certainly didn't feel strongly enough about it to bother bringing it up before. Since I didn't own a digital compact and never had the free time to go out and shoot specifically for a certain theme I always had to work from my back stash of film anyway. Never thought to consider that others had an "unfair advantage", though. I had fun my way and felt they should be free to have fun their way.

12-28-2011, 04:44 PM	#257
chubasco Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Alabama Photos: Gallery Posts: 328	Originally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor So you would want to eliminate anyone who doesn't use a P&S camera casually?! That is brilliant! We could call it the "personal consumption" contest and every participant would judge their own photos and award their own prizes. I'm glad you answered, I tried to make my reply come off in a nice way and was having a problem. Yes, let's eliminate all the newbies that don't have a vast backlog of photos to draw from...

12-28-2011, 08:37 PM	#258
jheu02 Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: North Carolina Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,027	I think it's nice to be able to use archive photos...it's a way to go back and look at them since I rarely print many anymore. But, I do like the "assignment" aspect also, as it's an impetus to bring my camera(s) with me and shoot more, whether for the contest or just personal consumption. Also, seeing how I can approach a certain theme, while being restricted to a compact camera and its limitations.

12-28-2011, 10:23 PM	#259
Mike Cash Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Japan Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,950	Originally posted by chubasco I'm glad you answered, I tried to make my reply come off in a nice way and was having a problem. Yes, let's eliminate all the newbies that don't have a vast backlog of photos to draw from... I have no such idea in mind and I hope that it is clear that I don't now and never did in the past. One thing that has become clear to me from this thread is that there are way too many people who take the contests way too damned seriously. I never took them seriously enough to bring up my thoughts on the subject before, certainly not enough to think that my opinions or concerns should be used to place restrictions on the photographic activities of others....which is what this entire thread has been, sadly enough.

12-28-2011, 11:07 PM	#260
kyteflyer Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Newcastle, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,444	Originally posted by ivoire I'm in favor of this one rule 8. Winner will set up and judge next contest. Once the winner does so, i would enter or not Actually... I like that. Don't like the current set of rules? Dopn't go in the contest. Easy. Originally posted by chubasco I wouldn't make this Pentax-brand specific, you'd sideline a number of contestants. True. It would sideline me for some time until...

12-28-2011, 11:11 PM	#261
kyteflyer Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Newcastle, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,444	Originally posted by Mike Cash To throw a new curve ball into the discussion: I always was of the opinion that only photos pulled from one's pre-existing stash should be allowed in the contests, rather than photos taken specifically for the purpose of entering after the theme had been announced. I nearly always do that, anyway, its a rare occasion where I am able to be so specific in my shooting (or even sufficiently motivated, come to think of it, for this comp), but I almost always have something in the archives. If I don't, I don't enter.

12-29-2011, 06:16 AM - 1 Like	#262
ivoire Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,381	Quote: I always was of the opinion that only photos pulled from one's pre-existing stash should be allowed in the contests, rather than photos taken specifically for the purpose of entering after the theme had been announced. Its a competition so it should be both. I seem to remember one PnS comp where the rule was no photos over 6months old. Once again, 8. Winner will set up and judge next contest. Thats the 'prize' the winner earns.

12-29-2011, 09:01 AM	#263
chubasco Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Alabama Photos: Gallery Posts: 328	Originally posted by ivoire Once again, 8. Winner will set up and judge next contest. Thats the 'prize' the winner earns. Ivoire, I like it. Simple, elegant, no heartburn.

12-29-2011, 09:06 AM	#264
Bart Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: WW community of Pentax users Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,646	Originally posted by ivoire Its a competition so it should be both. I seem to remember one PnS comp where the rule was no photos over 6months old. Once again, 8. Winner will set up and judge next contest. Thats the 'prize' the winner earns. Great idea! But er hm... Isn't this exactly how it has always been?

12-29-2011, 09:08 AM	#265
chubasco Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Alabama Photos: Gallery Posts: 328	Originally posted by Bart Great idea! But er hm... Isn't this exactly how it has always been? Now Bart, you didn't have to bring that up, did you? We didn't waste 18 pages just to get back to square 1.

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12-29-2011, 09:26 AM	#266
ivoire Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,381	Originally posted by Bart Great idea! But er hm... Isn't this exactly how it has always been? Bart, Yes! the circle is now complete!

12-29-2011, 10:07 AM	#267
RioRico Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Limbo, California Posts: 11,263	Originally posted by chubasco We didn't waste 18 pages just to get back to square 1. O yes we did. It's a fine example of a Human Game, which I define as any activity by which we organize and occupy our time when not doing anything productive. Much time was organized and occupied; much bandwidth and cognition was expended; and it probably ain't over yet. At least soccer hooligans aren't involved.

12-29-2011, 12:11 PM	#268
Bart Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: WW community of Pentax users Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,646	Well, I for one love circles. They give a sense of completeness

12-29-2011, 05:24 PM	#269
Mike Cash Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Japan Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,950	Originally posted by RioRico O yes we did. It's a fine example of a Human Game, which I define as any activity by which we organize and occupy our time when not doing anything productive. Much time was organized and occupied; much bandwidth and cognition was expended; and it probably ain't over yet. At least soccer hooligans aren't involved. It has indeed been an exercise worthy of any group of mid-level government bureaucrats, hasn't it?

12-29-2011, 07:09 PM	#270
RioRico Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Limbo, California Posts: 11,263	Originally posted by Mike Cash It has indeed been an exercise worthy of any group of mid-level government bureaucrats, hasn't it? I was thinking more of RPG gamemasters, minus the pizzas.