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Sleepy · 06-07-2008, 07:58 PM

Hello All,

There are some samples released on Pentax Japan website.
Optio W60 PENTAX JAPAN

I think there's kinda much more noise than I could accept in those iso-100 portraits (but they keep much detail). Hopefully Pentax will have an update firmware fixing this before it's available on the market.

ve2vfd · 06-07-2008, 08:14 PM

Hmmm the backgrounds appear to be quite noisy...

Pat

Pentaxke · 06-11-2008, 02:56 AM

I mostly have problems with the colors... Hope they can do better than that!

séamuis · 06-11-2008, 03:38 AM

I think they look pretty good.:ugh:

ve2vfd · 06-17-2008, 06:35 PM

Well, I pre-ordered mine this afternoon... I hope I get it in time for my Scouts summer camp! I can't wait for the beach photos

Pat

ishou80 · 06-17-2008, 11:02 PM

The colors looks real good but I agree that with iso 100 the noise is rather obvious.

ftpaddict · 06-18-2008, 12:50 AM

Close, but no cigar.

Reduce pixel count to improve noise performance.

Alfisti · 06-18-2008, 07:24 AM

The thing is, the noise is not colour blotching, it's more luminance than chroma. Colour appears in tact and bleeding is minimal. I have a Panasonic FX01 28mm compact and the bleeding at ISO80 is unforgivable. Reds and blues are crucified.

I reduced these doen to a 5x7 print resolution, sharpened a tad and it looks OK.

Now, in saying that, these samples are taken in the shade but still in good light. Drop the light levels or introduce harsh sunlight and the samples would be much worse IMHO.

Chocolar · 06-18-2008, 10:41 PM

Off topic a bit here, but what would it take, technicallywise, for a camera like the w60 to have RAW mode? And how much would raw mode add to the msrp? Considering the conditions that the w60 has to work in, wouldn't a raw mode allow more flexible pp? And another thing, how can 30% more pixels with the roughly the same size sensor give better iq? I'm gonna wait until some more photos to show up, but for now I'm really doubt it can beat w30's iq. I have no interest in Oly's w1030, what's the point to go that deep when it can even take good pics in good lite?

Pentaxke · 06-19-2008, 03:34 AM

Originally posted by Chocolar

Off topic a bit here, but what would it take, technicallywise, for a camera like the w60 to have RAW mode? And how much would raw mode add to the msrp? Considering the conditions that the w60 has to work in, wouldn't a raw mode allow more flexible pp? And another thing, how can 30% more pixels with the roughly the same size sensor give better iq? I'm gonna wait until some more photos to show up, but for now I'm really doubt it can beat w30's iq. I have no interest in Oly's w1030, what's the point to go that deep when it can even take good pics in good lite?

I don't know where the hostily towards the Oly 1030 comes from, but pixel for pixel, I would be surprised if the Pentax comes out any better...

RAW would be a nice extra, and it would make me consider the Optio W60, but to implement RAW, you have to add faster electronics. On most compact camera's RAW is fairly unusable because of the long time in between shots... To make RAW worthwhile they should add extra buffer memory, which, of course, adds to the final price...

ve2vfd · 07-10-2008, 02:21 PM

Wel, my W60 just shipped out today!

Expecting delivery tomorrow.

I'll try it out this weekend and post a short review.

I'm not expecting DSLR quality out of a point and shoot, but a camera I can play with at the beach, at camps and most importantly when I'm on fire calls should prove to be very interesting.

Pat

Alfisti · 07-10-2008, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by Pentaxke

I don't know where the hostily towards the Oly 1030 comes from, but pixel for pixel, I would be surprised if the Pentax comes out any better...

Gee you'd hope it was better, the 1030 Oly is abysmal and nothuing short of it.

J.Scott · 07-10-2008, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by ve2vfd

Wel, my W60 just shipped out today!

Expecting delivery tomorrow.

I'll try it out this weekend and post a short review.

I'm not expecting DSLR quality out of a point and shoot, but a camera I can play with at the beach, at camps and most importantly when I'm on fire calls should prove to be very interesting.

Pat

Good for you Pat, sounds like you're going to have some fun with the new camera! Sometimes my work finds me in small (<20') boats in sort of rough water. I feel compelled to bring a camera but really chicken out on bringing my K10D, no matter how water resistant it may be. A water proof camera would be a great option.

I'll be watching for the pictures!

Chocolar · 07-10-2008, 11:19 PM

There's a link on dpr with pics of the w60, iso400 look pretty decent.

Jonson PL · 10-16-2008, 11:04 AM

When zooming in, I think it looks okay. Noise characteristics are acceptable too, for a P&S.
For what I would use it for, I think it would do fine. I’m glad they continued the series.

06-07-2008, 07:58 PM	#1
Sleepy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Miami Photos: Gallery Posts: 133	Full-Size Samples of Pentax W60!!! Hello All, There are some samples released on Pentax Japan website. Optio W60 PENTAX JAPAN I think there's kinda much more noise than I could accept in those iso-100 portraits (but they keep much detail). Hopefully Pentax will have an update firmware fixing this before it's available on the market.

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06-07-2008, 08:14 PM	#2
ve2vfd Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Montreal, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,433	Hmmm the backgrounds appear to be quite noisy... Pat

06-11-2008, 02:56 AM	#3
Pentaxke Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 476	I mostly have problems with the colors... Hope they can do better than that!

06-11-2008, 03:38 AM	#4
séamuis Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Savannah, U.S./Baguio City, P.H. Posts: 5,979	I think they look pretty good.:ugh:

06-17-2008, 06:35 PM	#5
ve2vfd Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Montreal, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,433	Well, I pre-ordered mine this afternoon... I hope I get it in time for my Scouts summer camp! I can't wait for the beach photos Pat

06-17-2008, 11:02 PM	#6
ishou80 New Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Singapore Posts: 8	The colors looks real good but I agree that with iso 100 the noise is rather obvious.

06-18-2008, 12:50 AM	#7
ftpaddict Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Yurp Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,666	Close, but no cigar. Reduce pixel count to improve noise performance.

06-18-2008, 07:24 AM	#8
Alfisti Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toronto (for now) Posts: 1,748	The thing is, the noise is not colour blotching, it's more luminance than chroma. Colour appears in tact and bleeding is minimal. I have a Panasonic FX01 28mm compact and the bleeding at ISO80 is unforgivable. Reds and blues are crucified. I reduced these doen to a 5x7 print resolution, sharpened a tad and it looks OK. Now, in saying that, these samples are taken in the shade but still in good light. Drop the light levels or introduce harsh sunlight and the samples would be much worse IMHO.

06-18-2008, 10:41 PM	#9
Chocolar Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: OC, California Posts: 147	Off topic a bit here, but what would it take, technicallywise, for a camera like the w60 to have RAW mode? And how much would raw mode add to the msrp? Considering the conditions that the w60 has to work in, wouldn't a raw mode allow more flexible pp? And another thing, how can 30% more pixels with the roughly the same size sensor give better iq? I'm gonna wait until some more photos to show up, but for now I'm really doubt it can beat w30's iq. I have no interest in Oly's w1030, what's the point to go that deep when it can even take good pics in good lite?

06-19-2008, 03:34 AM	#10
Pentaxke Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 476	Originally posted by Chocolar Off topic a bit here, but what would it take, technicallywise, for a camera like the w60 to have RAW mode? And how much would raw mode add to the msrp? Considering the conditions that the w60 has to work in, wouldn't a raw mode allow more flexible pp? And another thing, how can 30% more pixels with the roughly the same size sensor give better iq? I'm gonna wait until some more photos to show up, but for now I'm really doubt it can beat w30's iq. I have no interest in Oly's w1030, what's the point to go that deep when it can even take good pics in good lite? I don't know where the hostily towards the Oly 1030 comes from, but pixel for pixel, I would be surprised if the Pentax comes out any better... RAW would be a nice extra, and it would make me consider the Optio W60, but to implement RAW, you have to add faster electronics. On most compact camera's RAW is fairly unusable because of the long time in between shots... To make RAW worthwhile they should add extra buffer memory, which, of course, adds to the final price...

07-10-2008, 02:21 PM	#11
ve2vfd Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Montreal, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,433	Wel, my W60 just shipped out today! Expecting delivery tomorrow. I'll try it out this weekend and post a short review. I'm not expecting DSLR quality out of a point and shoot, but a camera I can play with at the beach, at camps and most importantly when I'm on fire calls should prove to be very interesting. Pat

07-10-2008, 02:32 PM	#12
Alfisti Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toronto (for now) Posts: 1,748	Originally posted by Pentaxke I don't know where the hostily towards the Oly 1030 comes from, but pixel for pixel, I would be surprised if the Pentax comes out any better... Gee you'd hope it was better, the 1030 Oly is abysmal and nothuing short of it.

07-10-2008, 06:20 PM	#13
J.Scott Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,675	Originally posted by ve2vfd Wel, my W60 just shipped out today! Expecting delivery tomorrow. I'll try it out this weekend and post a short review. I'm not expecting DSLR quality out of a point and shoot, but a camera I can play with at the beach, at camps and most importantly when I'm on fire calls should prove to be very interesting. Pat Good for you Pat, sounds like you're going to have some fun with the new camera! Sometimes my work finds me in small (<20') boats in sort of rough water. I feel compelled to bring a camera but really chicken out on bringing my K10D, no matter how water resistant it may be. A water proof camera would be a great option. I'll be watching for the pictures!

07-10-2008, 11:19 PM	#14
Chocolar Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: OC, California Posts: 147	There's a link on dpr with pics of the w60, iso400 look pretty decent.

10-16-2008, 11:04 AM	#15
Jonson PL Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Copenhagen Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,842	When zooming in, I think it looks okay. Noise characteristics are acceptable too, for a P&S. For what I would use it for, I think it would do fine. I’m glad they continued the series.

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