Is it a good idea to produce MX-2 with 1" BSI sensor?

ogl · 07-25-2018, 02:01 AM

Ricoh could produce MX-2 with 1" sensor IMO and the same fast lens, but they don't do it...

Is it a good idea?

**BigMackCam** · 07-25-2018, 02:08 AM

It could be a nice little camera, but I think it would dilute Ricoh's GR-line offering, and it's a small enough market as it is. Where fixed-lens cameras are concerned, I believe Ricoh is better off focusing its limited resources on a new GR...

**beachgardener** · 07-25-2018, 03:03 AM

be nice if it came with an add on hot shoe optical viewfinder with dial in frame lines.

**RobA_Oz** · 07-25-2018, 03:10 AM

I doubt anything without an EVF would succeed in the marketplace, these days, unless it’s got a red dot on it, and even those are now coming with EVFs. Given that Ricoh is shifting its Pentax line up-market, the comparison isn’t as far-fetched as it might have been ten years ago.

**beachgardener** · 07-25-2018, 03:22 AM

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

anything without an EVF would succeed

I'm out, I'm optical only

be nice with a rangefinder type optical add on viewfinder, dial in frame lines if the lens is variable

**RobA_Oz** · 07-25-2018, 03:35 AM

Originally posted by beachgardener

I'm out, I'm optical only

be nice with a rangefinder type optical add on viewfinder, dial in frame lines if the lens is variable

I understand the impulse, but the market has changed, except for the Leica M10 series. Would you settle for a hybrid, like the Fujifilm X100 series, then?

**beachgardener** · 07-25-2018, 03:40 AM

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

Would you settle for a hybrid, like the Fujifilm X100 series, then?

no sorry not into Fuij stuff at all

**BigMackCam** · 07-25-2018, 03:50 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

Would you settle for a hybrid, like the Fujifilm X100 series, then?

Originally posted by beachgardener

no sorry not into Fuij stuff at all

Hybrid viewfinder on any camera, ILC or fixed lens, is my greatest camera technology wish. I love the idea of being able to use an optical view when it's most practical, add info overlays such as histogram if needed, then for manual focusing or low light / slow lens work, switch to full electronic view...

MrB1 · 07-25-2018, 03:57 AM

Originally posted by BigMackCam

Hybrid viewfinder on any camera, ILC or fixed lens, is my greatest camera technology wish. I love the idea of being able to use an optical view when it's most practical, add info overlays such as histogram if needed, then for manual focusing or low light / slow lens work, switch to full electronic view...

Totally agree, Mike - it would be so useful. I do not understand why this feature has not yet appeared in our recent DSLRs - it seems the obvious way forward to me.

Philip

P.S. I would love a fully featured MX-2 - bigger sensor, EVF, and hot-shoe.

**beachgardener** · 07-25-2018, 03:58 AM

Originally posted by MrB1

I do not understand why this feature has not yet appeared in our recent DSLRs.

If they start this malarky with the DSLR's many will be upset, optical rules man

**BigMackCam** · 07-25-2018, 04:02 AM

Originally posted by beachgardener

If they start this malarky with the DSLR's many will be upset, optical rules man

Just switch off the overlays. Problem solved

photoptimist · 07-25-2018, 04:54 AM

Keeping the same equivalent lens focal length and bright aperture while putting in a 70% larger sensor means making a 70% longer and 70% larger diameter lens. It would not be compact anymore.

ogl · 07-25-2018, 05:49 AM

Originally posted by BigMackCam

It could be a nice little camera, but I think it would dilute Ricoh's GR-line offering, and it's a small enough market as it is. Where fixed-lens cameras are concerned, I believe Ricoh is better off focusing its limited resources on a new GR...

GRIII will be 100%, but MX could be cheaper and it's with zoom lens. If to shoot in RAW, 1" sensor is not bad.
It seems to me Q system is stopped.
To have one WG camera, one GR and one MX at the market is reasonable sufficiency IMO...

**BigMackCam** · 07-25-2018, 06:14 AM

Originally posted by ogl

GRIII will be 100%, but MX could be cheaper and it's with zoom lens. If to shoot in RAW, 1" sensor is not bad.
It seems to me Q system is stopped.
To have one WG camera, one GR and one MX at the market is reasonable sufficiency IMO...

You're probably right about the Q system

As I said, a new MX could be a nice camera. I just don't think there's enough of a market for it... or, rather, there are better places for Ricoh to concentrate its resources.

**RobA_Oz** · 07-25-2018, 06:19 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by BigMackCam

Hybrid viewfinder on any camera, ILC or fixed lens, is my greatest camera technology wish. I love the idea of being able to use an optical view when it's most practical, add info overlays such as histogram if needed, then for manual focusing or low light / slow lens work, switch to full electronic view...

It’s the best of both worlds, in my opinion. Those who prefer one or the other can switch off what they don’t use. I don’t know anyone who could possibly object to that, unless they’d complain about the extra cost and/or weight. As I said before, if Ricoh is moving its cameras up-market, such a beast would fit right in with that.

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07-25-2018, 02:08 AM	#2
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,674	It could be a nice little camera, but I think it would dilute Ricoh's GR-line offering, and it's a small enough market as it is. Where fixed-lens cameras are concerned, I believe Ricoh is better off focusing its limited resources on a new GR...

07-25-2018, 03:03 AM	#3
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,842	be nice if it came with an add on hot shoe optical viewfinder with dial in frame lines.

07-25-2018, 03:10 AM	#4
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,197	I doubt anything without an EVF would succeed in the marketplace, these days, unless it’s got a red dot on it, and even those are now coming with EVFs. Given that Ricoh is shifting its Pentax line up-market, the comparison isn’t as far-fetched as it might have been ten years ago.

07-25-2018, 03:22 AM	#5
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,842	Originally posted by RobA_Oz anything without an EVF would succeed I'm out, I'm optical only be nice with a rangefinder type optical add on viewfinder, dial in frame lines if the lens is variable

07-25-2018, 03:35 AM	#6
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,197	Originally posted by beachgardener I'm out, I'm optical only be nice with a rangefinder type optical add on viewfinder, dial in frame lines if the lens is variable I understand the impulse, but the market has changed, except for the Leica M10 series. Would you settle for a hybrid, like the Fujifilm X100 series, then?

07-25-2018, 03:40 AM	#7
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,842	Originally posted by RobA_Oz Would you settle for a hybrid, like the Fujifilm X100 series, then? no sorry not into Fuij stuff at all

07-25-2018, 03:50 AM - 2 Likes	#8
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,674	Originally posted by RobA_Oz Would you settle for a hybrid, like the Fujifilm X100 series, then? Originally posted by beachgardener no sorry not into Fuij stuff at all Hybrid viewfinder on any camera, ILC or fixed lens, is my greatest camera technology wish. I love the idea of being able to use an optical view when it's most practical, add info overlays such as histogram if needed, then for manual focusing or low light / slow lens work, switch to full electronic view...

07-25-2018, 03:57 AM	#9
MrB1 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2013 Location: Hertfordshire, England Posts: 845	Originally posted by BigMackCam Hybrid viewfinder on any camera, ILC or fixed lens, is my greatest camera technology wish. I love the idea of being able to use an optical view when it's most practical, add info overlays such as histogram if needed, then for manual focusing or low light / slow lens work, switch to full electronic view... Totally agree, Mike - it would be so useful. I do not understand why this feature has not yet appeared in our recent DSLRs - it seems the obvious way forward to me. Philip P.S. I would love a fully featured MX-2 - bigger sensor, EVF, and hot-shoe.

07-25-2018, 03:58 AM	#10
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,842	Originally posted by MrB1 I do not understand why this feature has not yet appeared in our recent DSLRs. If they start this malarky with the DSLR's many will be upset, optical rules man

07-25-2018, 04:02 AM	#11
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,674	Originally posted by beachgardener If they start this malarky with the DSLR's many will be upset, optical rules man Just switch off the overlays. Problem solved

07-25-2018, 04:54 AM	#12
photoptimist Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,126	Keeping the same equivalent lens focal length and bright aperture while putting in a 70% larger sensor means making a 70% longer and 70% larger diameter lens. It would not be compact anymore.

07-25-2018, 05:49 AM	#13
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382 Original Poster	Originally posted by BigMackCam It could be a nice little camera, but I think it would dilute Ricoh's GR-line offering, and it's a small enough market as it is. Where fixed-lens cameras are concerned, I believe Ricoh is better off focusing its limited resources on a new GR... GRIII will be 100%, but MX could be cheaper and it's with zoom lens. If to shoot in RAW, 1" sensor is not bad. It seems to me Q system is stopped. To have one WG camera, one GR and one MX at the market is reasonable sufficiency IMO...

07-25-2018, 06:14 AM	#14
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,674	Originally posted by ogl GRIII will be 100%, but MX could be cheaper and it's with zoom lens. If to shoot in RAW, 1" sensor is not bad. It seems to me Q system is stopped. To have one WG camera, one GR and one MX at the market is reasonable sufficiency IMO... You're probably right about the Q system As I said, a new MX could be a nice camera. I just don't think there's enough of a market for it... or, rather, there are better places for Ricoh to concentrate its resources.

07-25-2018, 06:19 AM - 1 Like	#15
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,197	Originally posted by BigMackCam Hybrid viewfinder on any camera, ILC or fixed lens, is my greatest camera technology wish. I love the idea of being able to use an optical view when it's most practical, add info overlays such as histogram if needed, then for manual focusing or low light / slow lens work, switch to full electronic view... It’s the best of both worlds, in my opinion. Those who prefer one or the other can switch off what they don’t use. I don’t know anyone who could possibly object to that, unless they’d complain about the extra cost and/or weight. As I said before, if Ricoh is moving its cameras up-market, such a beast would fit right in with that.