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calicojack · 04-27-2007, 02:58 AM

My sister-in-law recently purchased a W20 to replace her older 3MP camera. She just recently returned from a cruise and when I asked her how the camera performed, she showed me samples. The pictures taken outside were beautiful (even during a rain storm). However, the pictures taken indoors were suprisingly grainy. My film mind told me that her ISO must have been set awfully high, but I'm not sure if that applies to digital. I've taken indoor shots with my K10D under auto ISO set for max range (up to 1600) and they are not grainy.
Since she bought this camera upon my recommendation, I feel the need to find an answer for her. Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Brian

Matjazz · 04-27-2007, 05:36 AM

First thing you ought to know is that compacts have noticeably more noise than dSLRs. You can't really compare compact to dslr.

calicojack · 04-27-2007, 11:29 AM

OK, I'll agree with that. I also own a 33WR that hasn't ever produced the graininess that her W20 does. My 33WR is a few years old now and only 3.2 MP. I figure her W20 ought to produce a better result than it has so far. (albeit the outdoor pictures were beautiful).
Brian

Ole · 04-27-2007, 02:57 PM

The more megapixels, the more grain for the same sensor size. An old 3MP often produces better pictures in poor lighting than the latest and greatest 7-810MP camera.

Your sister-in law's camera was probably on auto ISO, and bumped the ISO up indoors which will result in more grain. Investigate if you can set a limit as to how high the ISO may go. Going higher than 200 is probably not advisable on a compact camera.

calicojack · 04-27-2007, 04:42 PM

Ole,
Thanks. As low as 200 for a max, you say. I'll investigate. I hate to think I recommended a Pentax that a relative isn't happy with. After all, in my extended family there are 4 IQ105WR film point and shoot cameras, all because I'm a Pentax fan. The sister-in-law with the W20 is a recent convert from Canon, so I want to make her happy.
Thanks,
Brian

jnorth · 05-09-2007, 11:07 AM

I bought my wife the 3 models back or so of the W20. I also found that I needed to get her to shoot in the P mode rather than one of the scene modes as well as make sure her exposures or ISO were not creating extra noise. I just can't remember what beside the white balance I set in the P mode vrs one of the other presets. The flash on those things is beyond ridiculous too, which does not help. You almost have to go by an arms length rule - nothing past your outstretched arm will be properly exposed by the puny little flash (an eggaration I know but...).

The nice thing is it doesn't matter if it gets wet and it has no external zoom. Little P&S with an external zoom I think are one of the manufactures tools of planned obsolescence.

pleo · 05-22-2007, 04:40 AM

Originally posted by Ole

The more megapixels, the more grain for the same sensor size. An old 3MP often produces better pictures in poor lighting than the latest and greatest 7-810MP camera.

OMG: A 810 MP-camera !!???!!!

pleo · 05-22-2007, 04:46 AM

Originally posted by calicojack

Ole,
Thanks. As low as 200 for a max, you say. I'll investigate. I hate to think I recommended a Pentax that a relative isn't happy with.
...
The sister-in-law with the W20 is a recent convert from Canon, so I want to make her happy.
Thanks,
Brian

Hi Brian,

so you want to make her happy.....

seriously:
ISO 200 is quite high ISO-setting for digital compact cameras.... although the lowest setting for Pentax dslr....

The W20 is a special thing because of it's sealings. If you/she need/s them you/she only can choose an OLy as an alternative. (the new 770 SW is a really good cam)
If you/she don't need/s them you/she might choose some other cam.

Simple as that.

nicole · 05-23-2007, 05:40 AM

I am having these same issues with my W20 and was just reading the manual last night. It's very annoying. I bought this camera as an "extra" camera to have at the beach and in the water. But, I am so disappointed that I can't get ordinary photos without grain.

**Ahab** · 07-30-2007, 06:50 AM

Originally posted by nicole

I am having these same issues with my W20 and was just reading the manual last night. It's very annoying. I bought this camera as an "extra" camera to have at the beach and in the water. But, I am so disappointed that I can't get ordinary photos without grain.

Something must be wrong with my W20. I don't get no stinken grain.

04-27-2007, 02:58 AM	#1
calicojack Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Long Island, N.Y. Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,124	W20 Grainy Pics Indoors My sister-in-law recently purchased a W20 to replace her older 3MP camera. She just recently returned from a cruise and when I asked her how the camera performed, she showed me samples. The pictures taken outside were beautiful (even during a rain storm). However, the pictures taken indoors were suprisingly grainy. My film mind told me that her ISO must have been set awfully high, but I'm not sure if that applies to digital. I've taken indoor shots with my K10D under auto ISO set for max range (up to 1600) and they are not grainy. Since she bought this camera upon my recommendation, I feel the need to find an answer for her. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brian

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04-27-2007, 05:36 AM	#2
Matjazz Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: EU/Slovenia Photos: Gallery Posts: 774	First thing you ought to know is that compacts have noticeably more noise than dSLRs. You can't really compare compact to dslr.

04-27-2007, 11:29 AM	#3
calicojack Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Long Island, N.Y. Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,124 Original Poster	OK, I'll agree with that. I also own a 33WR that hasn't ever produced the graininess that her W20 does. My 33WR is a few years old now and only 3.2 MP. I figure her W20 ought to produce a better result than it has so far. (albeit the outdoor pictures were beautiful). Brian

04-27-2007, 02:57 PM	#4
Ole Administrator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,409	The more megapixels, the more grain for the same sensor size. An old 3MP often produces better pictures in poor lighting than the latest and greatest 7-810MP camera. Your sister-in law's camera was probably on auto ISO, and bumped the ISO up indoors which will result in more grain. Investigate if you can set a limit as to how high the ISO may go. Going higher than 200 is probably not advisable on a compact camera.

04-27-2007, 04:42 PM	#5
calicojack Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Long Island, N.Y. Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,124 Original Poster	Ole, Thanks. As low as 200 for a max, you say. I'll investigate. I hate to think I recommended a Pentax that a relative isn't happy with. After all, in my extended family there are 4 IQ105WR film point and shoot cameras, all because I'm a Pentax fan. The sister-in-law with the W20 is a recent convert from Canon, so I want to make her happy. Thanks, Brian

05-09-2007, 11:07 AM	#6
jnorth Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 230	I bought my wife the 3 models back or so of the W20. I also found that I needed to get her to shoot in the P mode rather than one of the scene modes as well as make sure her exposures or ISO were not creating extra noise. I just can't remember what beside the white balance I set in the P mode vrs one of the other presets. The flash on those things is beyond ridiculous too, which does not help. You almost have to go by an arms length rule - nothing past your outstretched arm will be properly exposed by the puny little flash (an eggaration I know but...). The nice thing is it doesn't matter if it gets wet and it has no external zoom. Little P&S with an external zoom I think are one of the manufactures tools of planned obsolescence.

05-22-2007, 04:40 AM	#7
pleo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hamburg Posts: 116	Originally posted by Ole The more megapixels, the more grain for the same sensor size. An old 3MP often produces better pictures in poor lighting than the latest and greatest 7-810MP camera. OMG: A 810 MP-camera !!???!!!

05-22-2007, 04:46 AM	#8
pleo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hamburg Posts: 116	Originally posted by calicojack Ole, Thanks. As low as 200 for a max, you say. I'll investigate. I hate to think I recommended a Pentax that a relative isn't happy with. ... The sister-in-law with the W20 is a recent convert from Canon, so I want to make her happy. Thanks, Brian Hi Brian, so you want to make her happy..... seriously: ISO 200 is quite high ISO-setting for digital compact cameras.... although the lowest setting for Pentax dslr.... The W20 is a special thing because of it's sealings. If you/she need/s them you/she only can choose an OLy as an alternative. (the new 770 SW is a really good cam) If you/she don't need/s them you/she might choose some other cam. Simple as that.

05-23-2007, 05:40 AM	#9
nicole Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 2	I am having these same issues with my W20 and was just reading the manual last night. It's very annoying. I bought this camera as an "extra" camera to have at the beach and in the water. But, I am so disappointed that I can't get ordinary photos without grain.

07-30-2007, 06:50 AM	#10
Ahab Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Arnold, Md. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 762	Originally posted by nicole I am having these same issues with my W20 and was just reading the manual last night. It's very annoying. I bought this camera as an "extra" camera to have at the beach and in the water. But, I am so disappointed that I can't get ordinary photos without grain. Something must be wrong with my W20. I don't get no stinken grain.

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