Request for a petition to reactivate sensor-stabilisation on K-30

grispie · 08-28-2013, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by JohnnyXD

NO, mechanical SR doesn't work, it's electronic.

kind of what i meant, the digital or electronic sr in video mode just does not do the job in a useful manner.
But you're right, the original comment was about the mechanical sr not working for video.

I'd be more than happy to join a petition on this.
I love using the pentax for close ups with old telelenses, so it would be more than welcome.

together with a petition to fix the "auto iso" issue with m-lenses...

JohnnyXD · 08-28-2013, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by grispie

together with a petition to fix the "auto iso" issue with m-lenses...

What is that?

grispie · 08-28-2013, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by JohnnyXD

What is that?

well, a bit off topic, but here it is:

when filming with an M lens, and in manual mode, whatever you set the iso value, the k01 will disregard it and choose an auto iso value.
which is ok, as the k01 is quite good in higher iso's if needed. BUT it causes your exposure to adjust itself when panning e.g. from a lighter to darker situation and it means you actually cannot really control the exposure (except for +-ev).

Someone had a work around for it in a prior post, pointing the cam in a certain "light" direction and then lock the iso value (without knowing what it is & then adjusting the other parameters) but it would be helpful if it worked out of the box... especially with a ton of M lenses back home...

I you happen to have both an M and a A lens, you can try it out..

altopiet · 08-29-2013, 01:56 AM

Originally posted by grispie

well, a bit off topic, but here it is:

when filming with an M lens, and in manual mode, whatever you set the iso value, the k01 will disregard it and choose an auto iso value.
which is ok, as the k01 is quite good in higher iso's if needed. BUT it causes your exposure to adjust itself when panning e.g. from a lighter to darker situation and it means you actually cannot really control the exposure (except for +-ev).

Someone had a work around for it in a prior post, pointing the cam in a certain "light" direction and then lock the iso value (without knowing what it is & then adjusting the other parameters) but it would be helpful if it worked out of the box... especially with a ton of M lenses back home...

I you happen to have both an M and a A lens, you can try it out..

Do you not have the option in M to set ISO to either Auto or Fixed ISO? The Auto ISO in M mode, in the K-30 actually seems like a bonus to me, as I can use it as Tav with manual lenses...

grispie · 08-29-2013, 02:04 AM

Originally posted by altopiet

Do you not have the option in M to set ISO to either Auto or Fixed ISO

yes, you can, but with a "M" lens the k01 will disregard it & do as he pleases.

I understand your comment on TAV, but then, for filming, one really wants full control over the 3 parameters...
at least, i do

altopiet · 08-29-2013, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by grispie

yes, you can, but with a "M" lens the k01 will disregard it & do as he pleases.

I understand your comment on TAV, but then, for filming, one really wants full control over the 3 parameters...
at least, i do

As far as I understand the K-01 and K-30 have the same features, I usually shoot Av with my manual lenses, don't do much video, but I can see your problem. What about limiting the ISO to 100-125 or something like that, which won't have much of an influence over the final outcome?

**Rondec** · 08-29-2013, 03:16 AM

The K5 uses mechanical SR during video, if it is on. It does cause audible noise, if you aren't using an external mic though. However, the quality is a lot better than the electronic SR that is used on the K-01.

grispie · 08-29-2013, 04:17 AM

Originally posted by altopiet

What about limiting the ISO to 100-125 or something like that

well, setting a limit on the auto iso does not work either in video mode and M lenses
There is a workaround though, but it is too cumbersome. Even explaining it is hard to do... :-)

But we are going off topic..

JohnnyXD · 08-29-2013, 04:33 AM

Originally posted by grispie

well, setting a limit on the auto iso does not work either in video mode and M lenses
There is a workaround though, but it is too cumbersome. Even explaining it is hard to do... :-)

But we are going off topic..

I would like to know, I just checked and ISO is set to auto when filming with a manual lense. What a stupid think pentax did. How can I have control over that?

grispie · 08-29-2013, 12:46 PM

Ok, just put auto iso on. point you cam in a certain direction to trigger the auto to choose a high or low iso, whatever you need for a situation..
Push ael and thus lock the iso. And then you can play with.the other two variables.

You don't know exactly what iso you chose, but at least you decided on whether you use a low or high iso

JohnnyXD · 08-30-2013, 04:29 AM

Originally posted by grispie

Ok, just put auto iso on. point you cam in a certain direction to trigger the auto to choose a high or low iso, whatever you need for a situation..
Push ael and thus lock the iso. And then you can play with.the other two variables.

You don't know exactly what iso you chose, but at least you decided on whether you use a low or high iso

Actually I check again, and changing the exposure meter (don't know how to say it), you can choose the ISO value and the rest keep the same, they don't change. I checked it myself

grispie · 08-30-2013, 07:25 AM

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Originally posted by JohnnyXD

Actually I check again, and changing the exposure meter (don't know how to say it), you can choose the ISO value and the rest keep the same, they don't change. I checked it myself

sorry, don't understand what you are saying...

JohnnyXD · 08-30-2013, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by grispie

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sorry, don't understand what you are saying...

I don't understand myself either, I will try to explain later. There are two metering types, one of them admits manual exposure with manual lenses

Kobayashi.K · 08-31-2013, 02:19 PM

What I don't understand is why this request is taken serious. The K-30 is dead and replaced. There is no way Ricoh would ever modify the camera or update its firmware for video.

grispie · 08-31-2013, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by Kobayashi.K

What I don't understand is why this request is taken serious. The K-30 is dead and replaced. There is no way Ricoh would ever modify the camera or update its firmware for video.

Well, in essence, this has nothing to do with a particular model. Every recent dslr from pentax is designed in this way.

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08-28-2013, 01:53 PM	#16
grispie Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,199	Originally posted by JohnnyXD NO, mechanical SR doesn't work, it's electronic. kind of what i meant, the digital or electronic sr in video mode just does not do the job in a useful manner. But you're right, the original comment was about the mechanical sr not working for video. I'd be more than happy to join a petition on this. I love using the pentax for close ups with old telelenses, so it would be more than welcome. together with a petition to fix the "auto iso" issue with m-lenses...

08-28-2013, 02:29 PM	#17
JohnnyXD Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 93	Originally posted by grispie together with a petition to fix the "auto iso" issue with m-lenses... What is that?

08-28-2013, 11:34 PM	#18
grispie Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,199	Originally posted by JohnnyXD What is that? well, a bit off topic, but here it is: when filming with an M lens, and in manual mode, whatever you set the iso value, the k01 will disregard it and choose an auto iso value. which is ok, as the k01 is quite good in higher iso's if needed. BUT it causes your exposure to adjust itself when panning e.g. from a lighter to darker situation and it means you actually cannot really control the exposure (except for +-ev). Someone had a work around for it in a prior post, pointing the cam in a certain "light" direction and then lock the iso value (without knowing what it is & then adjusting the other parameters) but it would be helpful if it worked out of the box... especially with a ton of M lenses back home... I you happen to have both an M and a A lens, you can try it out..

08-29-2013, 01:56 AM	#19
altopiet Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: The Gem of the Karoo, South Africa Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,307	Originally posted by grispie well, a bit off topic, but here it is: when filming with an M lens, and in manual mode, whatever you set the iso value, the k01 will disregard it and choose an auto iso value. which is ok, as the k01 is quite good in higher iso's if needed. BUT it causes your exposure to adjust itself when panning e.g. from a lighter to darker situation and it means you actually cannot really control the exposure (except for +-ev). Someone had a work around for it in a prior post, pointing the cam in a certain "light" direction and then lock the iso value (without knowing what it is & then adjusting the other parameters) but it would be helpful if it worked out of the box... especially with a ton of M lenses back home... I you happen to have both an M and a A lens, you can try it out.. Do you not have the option in M to set ISO to either Auto or Fixed ISO? The Auto ISO in M mode, in the K-30 actually seems like a bonus to me, as I can use it as Tav with manual lenses...

08-29-2013, 02:04 AM	#20
grispie Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,199	Originally posted by altopiet Do you not have the option in M to set ISO to either Auto or Fixed ISO yes, you can, but with a "M" lens the k01 will disregard it & do as he pleases. I understand your comment on TAV, but then, for filming, one really wants full control over the 3 parameters... at least, i do

08-29-2013, 03:02 AM	#21
altopiet Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: The Gem of the Karoo, South Africa Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,307	Originally posted by grispie yes, you can, but with a "M" lens the k01 will disregard it & do as he pleases. I understand your comment on TAV, but then, for filming, one really wants full control over the 3 parameters... at least, i do As far as I understand the K-01 and K-30 have the same features, I usually shoot Av with my manual lenses, don't do much video, but I can see your problem. What about limiting the ISO to 100-125 or something like that, which won't have much of an influence over the final outcome?

08-29-2013, 03:16 AM	#22
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,650	The K5 uses mechanical SR during video, if it is on. It does cause audible noise, if you aren't using an external mic though. However, the quality is a lot better than the electronic SR that is used on the K-01.

08-29-2013, 04:17 AM	#23
grispie Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,199	Originally posted by altopiet What about limiting the ISO to 100-125 or something like that well, setting a limit on the auto iso does not work either in video mode and M lenses There is a workaround though, but it is too cumbersome. Even explaining it is hard to do... :-) But we are going off topic..

08-29-2013, 04:33 AM	#24
JohnnyXD Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 93	Originally posted by grispie well, setting a limit on the auto iso does not work either in video mode and M lenses There is a workaround though, but it is too cumbersome. Even explaining it is hard to do... :-) But we are going off topic.. I would like to know, I just checked and ISO is set to auto when filming with a manual lense. What a stupid think pentax did. How can I have control over that?

08-29-2013, 12:46 PM	#25
grispie Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,199	Ok, just put auto iso on. point you cam in a certain direction to trigger the auto to choose a high or low iso, whatever you need for a situation.. Push ael and thus lock the iso. And then you can play with.the other two variables. You don't know exactly what iso you chose, but at least you decided on whether you use a low or high iso

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08-30-2013, 04:29 AM	#26
JohnnyXD Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 93	Originally posted by grispie Ok, just put auto iso on. point you cam in a certain direction to trigger the auto to choose a high or low iso, whatever you need for a situation.. Push ael and thus lock the iso. And then you can play with.the other two variables. You don't know exactly what iso you chose, but at least you decided on whether you use a low or high iso Actually I check again, and changing the exposure meter (don't know how to say it), you can choose the ISO value and the rest keep the same, they don't change. I checked it myself

08-30-2013, 07:25 AM	#27
grispie Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,199	[ Originally posted by JohnnyXD Actually I check again, and changing the exposure meter (don't know how to say it), you can choose the ISO value and the rest keep the same, they don't change. I checked it myself sorry, don't understand what you are saying...

08-30-2013, 11:33 AM	#28
JohnnyXD Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 93	Originally posted by grispie [ sorry, don't understand what you are saying... I don't understand myself either, I will try to explain later. There are two metering types, one of them admits manual exposure with manual lenses

08-31-2013, 02:19 PM	#29
Kobayashi.K Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 716	What I don't understand is why this request is taken serious. The K-30 is dead and replaced. There is no way Ricoh would ever modify the camera or update its firmware for video.

08-31-2013, 06:53 PM	#30
grispie Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,199	Originally posted by Kobayashi.K What I don't understand is why this request is taken serious. The K-30 is dead and replaced. There is no way Ricoh would ever modify the camera or update its firmware for video. Well, in essence, this has nothing to do with a particular model. Every recent dslr from pentax is designed in this way.