Want to start playing with video, but...

**eccs19** · 06-29-2014, 06:29 AM

Seems Adobe Premier Elements won't import video from my K5 IIs. Suggestions? I'd hate to have to convert the video before doing anything else.

fuent104 · 06-29-2014, 10:13 AM

Can it link to the media files, let you work in the timeline, then only"convert" whatever you render or export? In Avid this is called AMA linking.

**eccs19** · 06-29-2014, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by fuent104

Can it link to the media files, let you work in the timeline, then only"convert" whatever you render or export? In Avid this is called AMA linking.

Won't even let me import. Don't remember the error, but something along the lines of invalid format. I'll try something and confirm.

fuent104 · 06-29-2014, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by eccs19

Won't even let me import. Don't remember the error, but something along the lines of invalid format. I'll try something and confirm.

Will it let you transcode to whatever Premiere's native format is from the linked footage in the timeline? The workflow I'm talking about does not involve importing at all. If you're unfamiliar with the workflow, try googling "Avid AMA linking workflow." I can see how it wouldn't make much sense without more information.

**eccs19** · 06-29-2014, 01:30 PM

When I select "Add Media", it tells me "this type of file is not supported, or the required codec is not installed."

I will have a look at your suggestion. As I mentioned, totally new, so it means nothing too me. lol

PiDicus Rex · 07-02-2014, 11:00 AM

Do you have the latest version of Quicktime installed?
A lot of NLE applications use the Quicktime libraries to open the video files.

That error is usually seen if you only have the OS's native CoDecs installed, and not those for for your camera.
IIRC, the K5IIs records Mjpeg, which is usually well supported, but even something like the difference between interlaced and progressive can throw up errors for some programs.

If installing the latest version of Quicktime doesn't help, you might want to try downloading the latest version of VLC with the ffmpeg libraries.

PiDicus Rex · 07-03-2014, 12:15 AM

Something I should have asked first,... Does the video play on your systems default media player?
If so, you already have the CoDec installed, but the editing app isn't seeing, so try a fresh re-install of Elements.

**eccs19** · 07-04-2014, 07:06 AM

Originally posted by PiDicus Rex

IIRC, the K5IIs records Mjpeg,

Just checked, and it's actually recording AVI files. Just downloading Quicktime now, so we'll see if that works. Thanks for the ideas.

---------- Post added 07-04-2014 at 10:18 AM ----------

Thanks PiDicus Rex, installing Quicktime did work. As a note, the system did play the video fine, just Elements didn't like it but it's all good now.

Thanks to all for the help. Always appreciated.

PiDicus Rex · 07-04-2014, 03:00 PM

.avi, .mov, mp4, .mpg,...
Those are the file types, the wrappers that explain to the operating system that the file contains media set out in a particular layout.

The CoDec is the guts inside the wrapper that explains to the editing or playing apps how to interpret the media.

So you can have an AVI, MOV or MP4 that all have .h246 mpeg4 or Mpeg2 inside.
(Mjpeg will only be inside AVI or MOV files)

Steve.Ledger · 07-04-2014, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by eccs19

Just checked, and it's actually recording AVI files.

As prex says, AVI is a container, the codec used inside might be one of any number.

Grab a copy of GSpot - that's give you the info you need about the codecs used.
Here's what it says about a K-7 AVI file.

PiDicus Rex · 07-05-2014, 02:46 AM

44mbps,... wouldn't mind the K-01 to use that datarate on the .h264.
Does also mean that the SD controller Pentax use is capable of shifting that much data.

richandfleur · 07-08-2014, 01:54 PM

I'm seriously considering ditching the modern pentax bodies in favour of the k-5iis which appears to be the last of the original video system cameras. Eg large file sized video format and real mechanical stabilisation.

Really like the K-30 focus peaking but it doesn't continue when you are recording?!

Steve.Ledger · 07-08-2014, 03:48 PM

I've seen some nice footage shot with the K-5ii - been thinking about the same switch as you, Richard. Coming up with the dollars at this time is the problem for me

Focus peaking doesn't float my boat, I can do better without it.

richandfleur · 07-08-2014, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by Steve.Ledger

Coming up with the dollars at this time is the problem for me

Focus peaking doesn't float my boat, I can do better without it.

The dollars part of the equation is something we share in common.

Have you tried focus peaking Steve?
There's not much to it really, just it gives a bit more feedback on live view when you have an object in focus.
It's the equivalent of an alternative focussing screen through the optical viewfinder really.
Anyway it really helps with manual focussing (which we do often in video work) both in stills and in video, when trying to focus on the relatively tiny rear live view screen.
The implementation on Pentax is pretty good, there's no lag at all, but it lacks the customisability (that's a word right?) of other brands, in that you can't change the highlight colour etc.

I find the rear live view screen actually quite deceptive, in that everything looks great on there and it's only when I get back to a monitor that I start seeing the issues.
It's too good, and honestly quite hard to gauge focus on accurately in some circumstances.

Anyhow, IF Pentax enabled it DURING video it would be amazing.
But they don't ?!
So, in a lot of ways I wouldn't even be sacrificing this going to a K-5iis as it's not there in Video mode when you want it most anyway.

As an aside, I looked at the Sony's today, the A7r and the A6000. I think is good to do every once in a while, as it helps to remind me why I don't want to move away from Pentax!
Specifically I wanted to see how I would get on with an electronic view finder, and once again, despite advances in technology, I just don't think they're for me, and they're not there yet.

Steve.Ledger · 07-08-2014, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by richandfleur

Have you tried focus peaking Steve?
There's not much to it really, just it gives a bit more feedback on live view when you have an object in focus.

Indeed I have. The K-01, the Q and the K-50 all have it.
I've tried it and don't much like it. I get better results manually focusing using the zoom levels without FP than I do with.
It seems to me that FP leaves too much wiggle room whereas I can see critical focus much better without it.

06-29-2014, 06:29 AM	#1
eccs19 Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Lisle, Ontario Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,510	Want to start playing with video, but... Seems Adobe Premier Elements won't import video from my K5 IIs. Suggestions? I'd hate to have to convert the video before doing anything else.

07-02-2014, 11:00 AM	#6
PiDicus Rex Veteran Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,381	Do you have the latest version of Quicktime installed? A lot of NLE applications use the Quicktime libraries to open the video files. That error is usually seen if you only have the OS's native CoDecs installed, and not those for for your camera. IIRC, the K5IIs records Mjpeg, which is usually well supported, but even something like the difference between interlaced and progressive can throw up errors for some programs. If installing the latest version of Quicktime doesn't help, you might want to try downloading the latest version of VLC with the ffmpeg libraries. Last edited by PiDicus Rex; 07-02-2014 at 11:08 AM.

07-04-2014, 07:18 PM	#10
Steve.Ledger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far North Qld Posts: 3,301	Originally posted by eccs19 Just checked, and it's actually recording AVI files. As prex says, AVI is a container, the codec used inside might be one of any number. Grab a copy of GSpot - that's give you the info you need about the codecs used. Here's what it says about a K-7 AVI file. Last edited by Steve.Ledger; 08-10-2014 at 10:12 PM.

07-08-2014, 09:00 PM	#15
Steve.Ledger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far North Qld Posts: 3,301	Originally posted by richandfleur Have you tried focus peaking Steve? There's not much to it really, just it gives a bit more feedback on live view when you have an object in focus. Indeed I have. The K-01, the Q and the K-50 all have it. I've tried it and don't much like it. I get better results manually focusing using the zoom levels without FP than I do with. It seems to me that FP leaves too much wiggle room whereas I can see critical focus much better without it. Last edited by Steve.Ledger; 07-08-2014 at 09:08 PM.

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06-29-2014, 10:13 AM	#2
fuent104 Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: California Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,356	Can it link to the media files, let you work in the timeline, then only"convert" whatever you render or export? In Avid this is called AMA linking.

06-29-2014, 10:48 AM	#3
eccs19 Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Lisle, Ontario Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,510 Original Poster	Originally posted by fuent104 Can it link to the media files, let you work in the timeline, then only"convert" whatever you render or export? In Avid this is called AMA linking. Won't even let me import. Don't remember the error, but something along the lines of invalid format. I'll try something and confirm.

06-29-2014, 11:41 AM	#4
fuent104 Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: California Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,356	Originally posted by eccs19 Won't even let me import. Don't remember the error, but something along the lines of invalid format. I'll try something and confirm. Will it let you transcode to whatever Premiere's native format is from the linked footage in the timeline? The workflow I'm talking about does not involve importing at all. If you're unfamiliar with the workflow, try googling "Avid AMA linking workflow." I can see how it wouldn't make much sense without more information.

06-29-2014, 01:30 PM	#5
eccs19 Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Lisle, Ontario Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,510 Original Poster	When I select "Add Media", it tells me "this type of file is not supported, or the required codec is not installed." I will have a look at your suggestion. As I mentioned, totally new, so it means nothing too me. lol

07-03-2014, 12:15 AM	#7
PiDicus Rex Veteran Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,381	Something I should have asked first,... Does the video play on your systems default media player? If so, you already have the CoDec installed, but the editing app isn't seeing, so try a fresh re-install of Elements.

07-04-2014, 07:06 AM	#8
eccs19 Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Lisle, Ontario Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,510 Original Poster	Originally posted by PiDicus Rex IIRC, the K5IIs records Mjpeg, Just checked, and it's actually recording AVI files. Just downloading Quicktime now, so we'll see if that works. Thanks for the ideas. ---------- Post added 07-04-2014 at 10:18 AM ---------- Thanks PiDicus Rex, installing Quicktime did work. As a note, the system did play the video fine, just Elements didn't like it but it's all good now. Thanks to all for the help. Always appreciated.

07-04-2014, 03:00 PM	#9
PiDicus Rex Veteran Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,381	.avi, .mov, mp4, .mpg,... Those are the file types, the wrappers that explain to the operating system that the file contains media set out in a particular layout. The CoDec is the guts inside the wrapper that explains to the editing or playing apps how to interpret the media. So you can have an AVI, MOV or MP4 that all have .h246 mpeg4 or Mpeg2 inside. (Mjpeg will only be inside AVI or MOV files)

07-05-2014, 02:46 AM	#11
PiDicus Rex Veteran Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,381	44mbps,... wouldn't mind the K-01 to use that datarate on the .h264. Does also mean that the SD controller Pentax use is capable of shifting that much data.

07-08-2014, 01:54 PM	#12
richandfleur Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Palmerston North, New Zealand Photos: Albums Posts: 1,788	I'm seriously considering ditching the modern pentax bodies in favour of the k-5iis which appears to be the last of the original video system cameras. Eg large file sized video format and real mechanical stabilisation. Really like the K-30 focus peaking but it doesn't continue when you are recording?!

07-08-2014, 03:48 PM	#13
Steve.Ledger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far North Qld Posts: 3,301	I've seen some nice footage shot with the K-5ii - been thinking about the same switch as you, Richard. Coming up with the dollars at this time is the problem for me Focus peaking doesn't float my boat, I can do better without it.

07-08-2014, 07:24 PM	#14
richandfleur Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Palmerston North, New Zealand Photos: Albums Posts: 1,788	Originally posted by Steve.Ledger Coming up with the dollars at this time is the problem for me Focus peaking doesn't float my boat, I can do better without it. The dollars part of the equation is something we share in common. Have you tried focus peaking Steve? There's not much to it really, just it gives a bit more feedback on live view when you have an object in focus. It's the equivalent of an alternative focussing screen through the optical viewfinder really. Anyway it really helps with manual focussing (which we do often in video work) both in stills and in video, when trying to focus on the relatively tiny rear live view screen. The implementation on Pentax is pretty good, there's no lag at all, but it lacks the customisability (that's a word right?) of other brands, in that you can't change the highlight colour etc. I find the rear live view screen actually quite deceptive, in that everything looks great on there and it's only when I get back to a monitor that I start seeing the issues. It's too good, and honestly quite hard to gauge focus on accurately in some circumstances. Anyhow, IF Pentax enabled it DURING video it would be amazing. But they don't ?! So, in a lot of ways I wouldn't even be sacrificing this going to a K-5iis as it's not there in Video mode when you want it most anyway. As an aside, I looked at the Sony's today, the A7r and the A6000. I think is good to do every once in a while, as it helps to remind me why I don't want to move away from Pentax! Specifically I wanted to see how I would get on with an electronic view finder, and once again, despite advances in technology, I just don't think they're for me, and they're not there yet.