K-3 II = better for video ?

TomGarn · 04-23-2015, 06:44 AM

First specs to come now. Anything NEW in terms of the codec ?
60i 50i 30 25 24 ................ but still no 50p !!!
H.264 ..... still with that tiny low bit-rate ??

**savoche** · 04-23-2015, 01:09 PM

Haven't seen anything about it, but based on that the K-3II has the same image processor as the K-3 I would be surprised if there's much difference in their video capabilities. Looks like GPS and the super resolution thing are what they concentrated on in this minor update. Maybe better luck with the FF or the next major step in flagship APS.

Steve.Ledger · 04-23-2015, 01:53 PM - **2 Likes**

60i is pathetic in 2015.

Pentax just don't get it.

Adam · 04-23-2015, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by TomGarn

First specs to come now. Anything NEW in terms of the codec ?
60i 50i 30 25 24 ................ but still no 50p !!!
H.264 ..... still with that tiny low bit-rate ??

No changes have been made in the video department.

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jimr-pdx · 04-23-2015, 04:50 PM

Ricoh is on the record saying that video is not a priority for Pentax. While that could change some day, today isn't that day. Personally I would not expect video to become a priority until the 36×24 system is fully established.

Steve.Ledger · 04-23-2015, 08:13 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by jimr-pdx

Ricoh is on the record saying that video is not a priority for Pentax.

But I assume selling compelling cameras is a priority?

**RobA_Oz** · 04-23-2015, 09:00 PM

I dare say that video will be greatly improved over time, as the sales from the current products (and those in their immediate plans, assuming that doesn't include major video improvements) return profits to justify it. Personally, I don't care if their video isn't up to current (higher) standards, but I acknowledge others feel differently. However, Ricoh is a very successful company, and it's highly likely they got where they are through research and planning. So if their research told them their immediate (growth) market didn't care that much about video, it would be out of character to go against that finding.

Steve.Ledger · 04-23-2015, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

I dare say that video will be greatly improved over time.

I'd be astounded if it didn't... Certainly it can't get any worse.

TomGarn · 04-24-2015, 01:35 AM

At least it seems that their stupid electronic SR has been removed
and is hardware SR again - and may be better for panning now.

One small step for Pentax … one small leap for videographers

Steve.Ledger · 04-24-2015, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by TomGarn

At least it seems that their stupid electronic SR has been removed
and is hardware SR again - and may be better for panning now.

One small step for Pentax … one small leap for videographers

Where did you read this, Tom???

ruggiex · 04-24-2015, 01:30 PM

It's probably on their to-do list after they finish improving imagery side of things. FF is coming, revamping lenses for better AF.C, update lenses for FF... lots on their plate to catch up. Aren't they also using Fuji's processor currently? Probably partly why it has so little video support.

PiDicus Rex · 04-26-2015, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by Steve.Ledger

Where did you read this, Tom???

Ditto, Spill,..!

Mechanical SR and Clean HDMI 1080p are my two questions to decide to buy or not.

And I really really REALLY hope you're correct.

kadajawi · 04-26-2015, 09:21 AM

If it does have mechanical SR, and maaaaaybe ups the bitrate, I'm quite inclined to get it when I can afford it.

The problem with the K-3 II is that they haven't changed the image processor. I wouldn't be surprised if that is because they have seen that the new Fujitsu (well, it's a different company now, but I can't remember the name) processor is vastly superior, but not yet available. They will be quite busy working on the FF and just pushed out this mild refresh so they can sell a few more cameras. Replacing the processor with a slightly newer one (that may do 60p) is not deemed worth it. The latest Milbeaut, though for surveillance purposes, apparently does things such as 4K, and they have a dedicated HEVC hardware encoder now. So eventually surely they will hopefully put together these technologies and create a much more attractive processor... which will hopefully find it's way into the FF and the proper K-3 successor.

@Tom: Source please!

GabrielFFontes · 04-26-2015, 11:09 AM

Pentax kind of makes me ashamed when it comes to video...my phone takes videos that look much better than my K-3.

Steve.Ledger · 04-26-2015, 12:51 PM

But can you use zoom lenses, fisheye lenses, primes and other faster lenses to get razor thin DoF on your phone? Or are you wanting everything in focus to infinity and beyond?

---------- Post added 04-27-15 at 05:54 AM ----------

Originally posted by kadajawi

If it does have mechanical SR, and maaaaaybe ups the bitrate, I'm quite inclined to get it when I can afford it.

@Tom: Source please!

No, Tom is mistaken again. There has not been a return to mechanical SR for video recording.

04-23-2015, 06:44 AM	#1
TomGarn Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Hamburg Posts: 339	K-3 II = better for video ? First specs to come now. Anything NEW in terms of the codec ? 60i 50i 30 25 24 ................ but still no 50p !!! H.264 ..... still with that tiny low bit-rate ??

04-23-2015, 03:43 PM	#4
Adam Administrator Site Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 51,594	Originally posted by TomGarn First specs to come now. Anything NEW in terms of the codec ? 60i 50i 30 25 24 ................ but still no 50p !!! H.264 ..... still with that tiny low bit-rate ?? No changes have been made in the video department. Adam PentaxForums.com Webmaster (Site Usage Guide \| Site Help \| My Photography) PentaxForums.com server and development costs are user-supported. You can help cover these costs by donating or purchasing one of our Pentax eBooks. Or, buy your photo gear from our affiliates, Adorama, B&H Photo, KEH, or Topaz Labs, and get FREE Marketplace access - click here to see how! Trusted Pentax retailers:

04-26-2015, 01:33 AM	#12
PiDicus Rex Veteran Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,381	Originally posted by Steve.Ledger Where did you read this, Tom??? Ditto, Spill,..! Mechanical SR and Clean HDMI 1080p are my two questions to decide to buy or not. And I really really REALLY hope you're correct. Last edited by PiDicus Rex; 04-26-2015 at 01:43 AM.

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savoche Master of the obvious Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Lowlands of Norway Posts: 18,311	Haven't seen anything about it, but based on that the K-3II has the same image processor as the K-3 I would be surprised if there's much difference in their video capabilities. Looks like GPS and the super resolution thing are what they concentrated on in this minor update. Maybe better luck with the FF or the next major step in flagship APS.

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Steve.Ledger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far North Qld Posts: 3,301	60i is pathetic in 2015. Pentax just don't get it.

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jimr-pdx Pentaxian Join Date: May 2010 Location: now 1 hour north of PDX Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,897	Ricoh is on the record saying that video is not a priority for Pentax. While that could change some day, today isn't that day. Personally I would not expect video to become a priority until the 36×24 system is fully established.

04-23-2015, 08:13 PM - 1 Like	#6
Steve.Ledger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far North Qld Posts: 3,301	Originally posted by jimr-pdx Ricoh is on the record saying that video is not a priority for Pentax. But I assume selling compelling cameras is a priority?

04-23-2015, 09:00 PM	#7
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,197	I dare say that video will be greatly improved over time, as the sales from the current products (and those in their immediate plans, assuming that doesn't include major video improvements) return profits to justify it. Personally, I don't care if their video isn't up to current (higher) standards, but I acknowledge others feel differently. However, Ricoh is a very successful company, and it's highly likely they got where they are through research and planning. So if their research told them their immediate (growth) market didn't care that much about video, it would be out of character to go against that finding.

04-23-2015, 09:28 PM	#8
Steve.Ledger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far North Qld Posts: 3,301	Originally posted by RobA_Oz I dare say that video will be greatly improved over time. I'd be astounded if it didn't... Certainly it can't get any worse.

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TomGarn Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Hamburg Posts: 339 Original Poster	At least it seems that their stupid electronic SR has been removed and is hardware SR again - and may be better for panning now. One small step for Pentax … one small leap for videographers

04-24-2015, 01:02 PM	#10
Steve.Ledger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far North Qld Posts: 3,301	Originally posted by TomGarn At least it seems that their stupid electronic SR has been removed and is hardware SR again - and may be better for panning now. One small step for Pentax … one small leap for videographers Where did you read this, Tom???

04-24-2015, 01:30 PM	#11
ruggiex Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: East Bay Area Photos: Gallery Posts: 811	It's probably on their to-do list after they finish improving imagery side of things. FF is coming, revamping lenses for better AF.C, update lenses for FF... lots on their plate to catch up. Aren't they also using Fuji's processor currently? Probably partly why it has so little video support.

04-26-2015, 09:21 AM	#13
kadajawi Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,799	If it does have mechanical SR, and maaaaaybe ups the bitrate, I'm quite inclined to get it when I can afford it. The problem with the K-3 II is that they haven't changed the image processor. I wouldn't be surprised if that is because they have seen that the new Fujitsu (well, it's a different company now, but I can't remember the name) processor is vastly superior, but not yet available. They will be quite busy working on the FF and just pushed out this mild refresh so they can sell a few more cameras. Replacing the processor with a slightly newer one (that may do 60p) is not deemed worth it. The latest Milbeaut, though for surveillance purposes, apparently does things such as 4K, and they have a dedicated HEVC hardware encoder now. So eventually surely they will hopefully put together these technologies and create a much more attractive processor... which will hopefully find it's way into the FF and the proper K-3 successor. @Tom: Source please!

04-26-2015, 11:09 AM	#14
GabrielFFontes Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil Posts: 647	Pentax kind of makes me ashamed when it comes to video...my phone takes videos that look much better than my K-3.

04-26-2015, 12:51 PM	#15
Steve.Ledger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far North Qld Posts: 3,301	But can you use zoom lenses, fisheye lenses, primes and other faster lenses to get razor thin DoF on your phone? Or are you wanting everything in focus to infinity and beyond? ---------- Post added 04-27-15 at 05:54 AM ---------- Originally posted by kadajawi If it does have mechanical SR, and maaaaaybe ups the bitrate, I'm quite inclined to get it when I can afford it. @Tom: Source please! No, Tom is mistaken again. There has not been a return to mechanical SR for video recording.