You guys were right, no one really cares about 4K video on Youtube.

Qwntm · 11-18-2020, 02:26 PM - **3 Likes**

So I asked the question 1080P or 4K for Youtube? and no one so far has said that they want or watch 4k videos on Youtube. One guy said he wished he could watch them in 1080p...

Just when Pentax goes 4 k too. LOL

I'm going to use the KP for video at 1080p and 24fps and see how that goes.

surfar · 11-18-2020, 02:31 PM - **1 Like**

Just when Pentax goes 4 k too. LOL

Yes,RI should have jumped straight to 8K!

**othar** · 11-18-2020, 02:42 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Qwntm

Just when Pentax goes 4 k too. LOL

4K produces large(er) files and as I don't have a Monitor of that resolution I don't need it, nevertheless offering 4K video has some advantages beside beeing competitive with other manufacturers. The posibility to zoom into certain areas of the frame and still producing a 1080p video in the end for instance.

I don't know about the KP but what I have seen from my K-3 I am not entirely satisfied with the 1080p results (In my opinion video is fine for static recording but I am not happy with the results I get when moving the camera and I am not speaking of the digital image stabilisation, as I am not using it)

**BigMackCam** · 11-18-2020, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by othar

what I have seen from my K-3 I am not entirely satisfied with the 1080p results (In my opinion video is fine for static recording but I am not happy with the results I get when moving the camera and I am not speaking of the digital image stabilisation, as I am not using it)

Are you referring to rolling shutter effect?

**HippyHippo** · 11-18-2020, 03:47 PM - **9 Likes**

I did find one use for 4K. It’s just about enough to buy a K1 and 3 amigos...��

stevebrot · 11-18-2020, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by BigMackCam

Are you referring to rolling shutter effect?

The max 30p frame rate might be the concern.

Steve

shyrsio · 11-18-2020, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by surfar

Just when Pentax goes 4 k too. LOL

Yes,RI should have jumped straight to 8K!

Its just about getting equal on bragging rights.

**othar** · 11-18-2020, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by BigMackCam

Are you referring to rolling shutter effect?

I think that's the reason for my issues, yes.

Originally posted by stevebrot

The max 30p frame rate might be the concern.

No major issue for me, no. And I even only use 25p

**BigMackCam** · 11-18-2020, 03:58 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by stevebrot

The max 30p frame rate might be the concern.

Ah, right. That would be fine by me... I guess my tastes for video are old-fashioned. I still like the look of 24 fps and 30fps, per the movies and TV shows I grew up with. I understand why others want more, but I find faster frame rates jarring, unless they're being used for slow motion footage...

Imp · 11-18-2020, 04:06 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Qwntm

So I asked the question 1080P or 4K for Youtube? and no one so far has said that they want or watch 4k videos on Youtube. One guy said he wished he could watch them in 1080p...

Just when Pentax goes 4 k too. LOL

I'm going to use the KP for video at 1080p and 24fps and see how that goes.

Sometimes I even put it down to 720 on youtube!

I'm more interested in higher bitrates and greater bit-depth (sorry if my terminology is off), like 10bit video at 1080, 200mbps. Not sure what the use of 4k video is if you have a low data rate, the details and the color will still look bad.

**clackers** · 11-18-2020, 04:11 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by othar

In my opinion video is fine for static recording but I am not happy with the results I get when moving the camera and I am not speaking of the digital image stabilisation, as I am not using it)

Rolling shutter is because of how CMOS sensors get their readout. Takes a lot of money to overcome, and global shutters tend to suffer from worse noise and poorer dynamic range, anyway, so I don't want one, thank you!

Sony video's notorious for rolling shutter, even now, and Pentax of course use Sony sensors, and will most likely do so in the new K-3 III:

Sony a6500 Leaves Most a6300 Issues Such As Rolling Shutter Unresolved – DigitalRev

**FozzFoster** · 11-18-2020, 04:26 PM - **2 Likes**

imo, like the MP wars, the video resolution wars have a quickly approached diminishing return.

**BigMackCam** · 11-18-2020, 04:46 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by FozzFoster

imo, like the MP wars, the video resolution wars have a quickly approached diminishing return.

As with most photographic / video capabilities these days, I think there are (broadly) two camps - those who are happy with "good enough", and those who will continue chase "better" or "leading edge". Where resolution is concerned, it strikes me that video is going through the same evolution as stills photography, in that high(er) resolutions can offer remarkable detail and stand up well to scrutiny at close distances - but at realistic viewing distances, 4K+ - whilst undeniably noticeable - simply isn't necessary for a lot of content.

My latest laptop has a 15.6" 4K screen, and I was reliably informed that at this screen size, 4K resolution would offer little benefit, even with 4K video. In fact, I certainly *can* tell the difference at normal working distance. It's also noticeable on my QHD 24" monitor, and I'm sure would be especially noticeable if that display were UHD... but, FHD video looks just fine - excellent, in fact - on both... to my eyes, at least. It's ample for me.

**FozzFoster** · 11-18-2020, 04:50 PM

the major barrier to entry for me is the hardware require to run 4K half decently.
A 4K monitor with an IPS panel pushing >60 Hz is still quite expensive.
a 1080p IPS can go to 144 hz relatively easily and the work space on a 24" screen sitting 2 feet away is more than workable.

ChristianRock · 11-18-2020, 04:59 PM - **4 Likes**

The hilarious thing about all this is that I bet that 99% of people watch YouTube videos on their handheld devices.
1080p and 24fps is what I use if I want to make family videos.

11-18-2020, 02:26 PM - 3 Likes	#1
Qwntm Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Eastern Oregon Posts: 856	You guys were right, no one really cares about 4K video on Youtube. So I asked the question 1080P or 4K for Youtube? and no one so far has said that they want or watch 4k videos on Youtube. One guy said he wished he could watch them in 1080p... Just when Pentax goes 4 k too. LOL I'm going to use the KP for video at 1080p and 24fps and see how that goes.

11-18-2020, 02:31 PM - 1 Like	#2
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,145	LOL Just when Pentax goes 4 k too. LOL Yes,RI should have jumped straight to 8K!

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11-18-2020, 02:42 PM - 1 Like	#3
othar Site Supporter Join Date: May 2014 Location: Linz Photos: Albums Posts: 3,098	Originally posted by Qwntm Just when Pentax goes 4 k too. LOL 4K produces large(er) files and as I don't have a Monitor of that resolution I don't need it, nevertheless offering 4K video has some advantages beside beeing competitive with other manufacturers. The posibility to zoom into certain areas of the frame and still producing a 1080p video in the end for instance. I don't know about the KP but what I have seen from my K-3 I am not entirely satisfied with the 1080p results (In my opinion video is fine for static recording but I am not happy with the results I get when moving the camera and I am not speaking of the digital image stabilisation, as I am not using it)

11-18-2020, 03:26 PM	#4
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,695	Originally posted by othar what I have seen from my K-3 I am not entirely satisfied with the 1080p results (In my opinion video is fine for static recording but I am not happy with the results I get when moving the camera and I am not speaking of the digital image stabilisation, as I am not using it) Are you referring to rolling shutter effect?

11-18-2020, 03:47 PM - 9 Likes	#5
HippyHippo Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Derby Posts: 98	I did find one use for 4K. It’s just about enough to buy a K1 and 3 amigos...��

11-18-2020, 03:48 PM	#6
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by BigMackCam Are you referring to rolling shutter effect? The max 30p frame rate might be the concern. Steve

11-18-2020, 03:49 PM	#7
shyrsio Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Tirana Posts: 780	Originally posted by surfar Just when Pentax goes 4 k too. LOL Yes,RI should have jumped straight to 8K! Its just about getting equal on bragging rights.

11-18-2020, 03:57 PM	#8
othar Site Supporter Join Date: May 2014 Location: Linz Photos: Albums Posts: 3,098	Originally posted by BigMackCam Are you referring to rolling shutter effect? I think that's the reason for my issues, yes. Originally posted by stevebrot The max 30p frame rate might be the concern. No major issue for me, no. And I even only use 25p

11-18-2020, 03:58 PM - 1 Like	#9
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,695	Originally posted by stevebrot The max 30p frame rate might be the concern. Ah, right. That would be fine by me... I guess my tastes for video are old-fashioned. I still like the look of 24 fps and 30fps, per the movies and TV shows I grew up with. I understand why others want more, but I find faster frame rates jarring, unless they're being used for slow motion footage...

11-18-2020, 04:06 PM - 1 Like	#10
Imp Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Washington, DC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,749	Originally posted by Qwntm So I asked the question 1080P or 4K for Youtube? and no one so far has said that they want or watch 4k videos on Youtube. One guy said he wished he could watch them in 1080p... Just when Pentax goes 4 k too. LOL I'm going to use the KP for video at 1080p and 24fps and see how that goes. Sometimes I even put it down to 720 on youtube! I'm more interested in higher bitrates and greater bit-depth (sorry if my terminology is off), like 10bit video at 1080, 200mbps. Not sure what the use of 4k video is if you have a low data rate, the details and the color will still look bad.

11-18-2020, 04:11 PM - 1 Like	#11
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by othar In my opinion video is fine for static recording but I am not happy with the results I get when moving the camera and I am not speaking of the digital image stabilisation, as I am not using it) Rolling shutter is because of how CMOS sensors get their readout. Takes a lot of money to overcome, and global shutters tend to suffer from worse noise and poorer dynamic range, anyway, so I don't want one, thank you! Sony video's notorious for rolling shutter, even now, and Pentax of course use Sony sensors, and will most likely do so in the new K-3 III: Sony a6500 Leaves Most a6300 Issues Such As Rolling Shutter Unresolved – DigitalRev

11-18-2020, 04:26 PM - 2 Likes	#12
FozzFoster Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Alberta Photos: Albums Posts: 6,808	imo, like the MP wars, the video resolution wars have a quickly approached diminishing return.

11-18-2020, 04:46 PM - 1 Like	#13
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,695	Originally posted by FozzFoster imo, like the MP wars, the video resolution wars have a quickly approached diminishing return. As with most photographic / video capabilities these days, I think there are (broadly) two camps - those who are happy with "good enough", and those who will continue chase "better" or "leading edge". Where resolution is concerned, it strikes me that video is going through the same evolution as stills photography, in that high(er) resolutions can offer remarkable detail and stand up well to scrutiny at close distances - but at realistic viewing distances, 4K+ - whilst undeniably noticeable - simply isn't necessary for a lot of content. My latest laptop has a 15.6" 4K screen, and I was reliably informed that at this screen size, 4K resolution would offer little benefit, even with 4K video. In fact, I certainly can tell the difference at normal working distance. It's also noticeable on my QHD 24" monitor, and I'm sure would be especially noticeable if that display were UHD... but, FHD video looks just fine - excellent, in fact - on both... to my eyes, at least. It's ample for me.

11-18-2020, 04:50 PM	#14
FozzFoster Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Alberta Photos: Albums Posts: 6,808	the major barrier to entry for me is the hardware require to run 4K half decently. A 4K monitor with an IPS panel pushing >60 Hz is still quite expensive. a 1080p IPS can go to 144 hz relatively easily and the work space on a 24" screen sitting 2 feet away is more than workable.

11-18-2020, 04:59 PM - 4 Likes	#15
ChristianRock Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: People's Republic of America Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,912	The hilarious thing about all this is that I bet that 99% of people watch YouTube videos on their handheld devices. 1080p and 24fps is what I use if I want to make family videos.