[osv]

osv...

honestly man...

what's you're point joining this discussion anyway?

maybe it's to correct the mis-information?

[Nerdold Nerdith]

Nikon's D3s and D3x are both their top of the line DSLRs at the moment. They are meant to be used for different copletely professional applications. Nikon's D3s is for sports, and anything that requires a fast camera. The D3x is for sheer image quality, and that's where the price comes from.

Obviously, a silly feature like video is stupid in either of these cameras, but a large
portion of the market for them is amateurs with lots of money anyways. I know people who will buy the most expensive product because they think they're getting the best product. This definitely isn't true, especially for cameras.

[jogiba]

maybe it's to correct the mis-information?

Wow, you are the king of mis-information. BTW exactly why are you posting on this forum ? You have a consumer camcorder.

[TrueIndigo]

Um, I think most of us on here are aware of the limitations in using DSLRs for video (there are many threads on other forums detailing this). This thread, like the one requesting manual exposure, is just a place to discuss how these cameras might be swung a bit closer to how we would like them, either through firmware upgrades/hacks or requesting Pentax to consider features for future models. In particular, does anyone else think 2k CinemaScope (if do-able) would be a big deal for them? Is there any enthusiasm for it? What are the technical issues?

[karl79]

In particular, does anyone else think 2k CinemaScope (if do-able) would be a big deal for them? Is there any enthusiasm for it? What are the technical issues?

I had hoped falconeye could comment on that, he knows well about these issues.

[osv]

Obviously, a silly feature like video is stupid in either of these cameras, but a large portion of the market for them is amateurs with lots of money anyways.

finally, a common-sense post... jogiba, pay attention

indigo, we don't even have vu meters on these cheesy vdslrs, and you are talking about 2k.

[jogiba]

There are diehard still photographers that have their head in the sand. It is now 2010 and video with DSLRs is shaking up the indie filmmaking world.
OSV why don't you just stick with your toy camcorder and don't worry about people who are shooting with VDSLRs.

The Bottom Line

Video capability in DSLRs represents nothing short of a revolution. A new generation of photographers will embrace what they have to offer and use them to create new forms of art and commerce. In a few years we'll likely think that a still camera that can't also shoot video, or a video camera that can't also shoot stills is strangely underfeatured.

Still photographers will embrace them because they provide a new tool; a new possible means of creative expression. Videographers and movie makers will adopt them because they provide convenient access to that most desirable of traits in film making: shallow depth of field.

Video DSLRs vs Camcorders

[osv]

There are diehard still photographers that have their head in the sand. It is now 2010 and video with DSLRs is shaking up the indie filmmaking world.

youtube isn't the "indie filmmaking world" and you obviously don't know a darn thing about video

[jogiba]

youtube isn't the "indie filmmaking world" and you obviously don't know a darn thing about video

YOU don't have a clue about anything. YOU are the one that said Pentax was the only one using MJPEG in DSLRs and that your toy camcorder has better resolution than any VDSLR.

Steve Weiss Filmmaking Blog: New Website on DSLR Cinematography

According to an article on Wired, the recent use of HD digital single-lens reflex cameras or DSLR’s may close the tech gap between small and big budget films. On one end, the release of such cameras at a retail level could be seen as a huge triumph.

HD DSLR?s Give Indie Filmmakers the Upper Hand?

Following Canon’s Mark II and Nikon’s D90 entry into the market with beautiful HD video capabilities (the Mark II with a full-frame sensor) and swappable, high-quality lenses, early adopters began to showcase their videos on YouTube and Vimeo. In June, a group of independent filmmakers from Oregon announced they had completed shooting a feature-length movie using the D90, also named Reverie.

Hi-Def DSLRs May Be Cheap, But Talent Is Priceless | Raw File

http://blog.planet5d.com/2009/11/lucasfilm-filmakers-use-canon-eos-5d-mark-i...-fi-36-stairs/



http://www.36stairsfilm.com/36behind.html



http://www.36stairsfilm.com/



http://dslrfilm.com/?p=946

see these new 35mm depth of field cameras that are going to revolutionize the independent filmmaking industry everyone is talking about.

http://exposureroom.com/members/zacuto/d18e44af944e49f89111c91a56c137ac/

[TrueIndigo]

OSV -- "We don't even have vu meters on these cheesy vdslrs, and you are talking about 2k"-- the camera sound is one of the limitations of using a DSLR for video. I record separate sound on a digital sound recorder (which does have VU meters) and just use the in-camera sound as a guide track in post. Most "real" film movies have to record their sound separately too.

[jogiba]

[vimeo]http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=8100091&amp[/vimeo]

[osv]

YOU don't have a clue about anything. YOU are the one that said Pentax was the only one using MJPEG in DSLRs and that your toy camcorder has better resolution than any VDSLR.

true, i should have guessed that nikon was going to abandon the development of video on their camcorders, and leave themselves in the 720p dark ages right there with pentax...

"The (Canon) HF S21 measured a sharper image than its predecessors in our test. The camcorder managed a horizontal sharpness of 900 lw/ph and a vertical sharpness of 650 lw/ph... Motion performance was excellent, and the addition of a native 24p record mode is very exciting."
Canon Vixia HF S21 Camcorder Review - Canon Flash Memory

"According to our measurements, the (Pentax k-x) camcorder managed a horizontal sharpness of 650 lw/ph and a vertical sharpness of 600 lw/ph. These numbers are slightly better than the Nikon D5000 and Panasonic GF1 put up, but most of the DSLRs with 1080p capability had better sharpness numbers (because they shoot video at a higher resolution)... Recorded motion often looked choppy and wasn't very smooth in our testing."
Pentax K-x Digital Camera Review - Pentax DSLR - DigitalCameraInfo.com

[osv]

OSV -- "We don't even have vu meters on these cheesy vdslrs, and you are talking about 2k"-- the camera sound is one of the limitations of using a DSLR for video. I record separate sound on a digital sound recorder (which does have VU meters) and just use the in-camera sound as a guide track in post. Most "real" film movies have to record their sound separately too.

portable mp3 recorders are fairly cheap, and they have decent sound quality... but really, how many people are going to use a vdslr to shoot something that will get into film distribution? give us some examples of ANY pentax vdslr that was used to make a film that actually went into distribution... and please, no jogiba wet dreams confusing youtube with REAL FILM DISTRIBUTION, o.k.? lol

the video camcorder market has long been distorted by jogibas that think that every camcorder that gets sold is going to be used for a "film"... engineering resources get wasted on crippled formats like 24p, and the consumer ends up paying for something that they have no use for.

canon has stated that they developed their vdslr functionality for news reporters and such, NOT "film"... that's not a situation where you'll want to be using a seperate audio recorder.

[karl79]

osv, if you haven't got any constructive thoughts about 2k cinemascope for DSLRs to share, then just stop posting in this thread.

[jogiba]

from a professional video standpoint, no manual controls is a complete deal-killer, as is the use of a bloated obsolete codec like mjpeg, the lack of 1080p capability, glass that can't hold focus while zooming, etc.

pentax doesn't get much interest because they haven't delivered a quality video solution on their dslrs, period... in the finest pentax tradition, by the time we do get all of the above, the next generation of the competition will have moved on to much better features, and we'll still be playing catch-up.

and it's not just pentax, the entire vdslr genre is rather like putting lipstick on a pig... per camcorderinfo, the measured resolution of the best canon vdslr is far less than what i can get from a $700 canon hd camcorder... and then there is the audio interface, even canon doesn't have an audio level meter.

so the whole vdslr scene desperately needs to mature, pentax is just the worst of an immature breed... in two or three years we'll be able to look back and see how bad it really is, but for now some of you people need to understand what the limitations really are... you buy a pentax for the still picture quality, whatever video it takes is just a toy that you can play with, and learn from.

osv: "per camcorderinfo, the measured resolution of the best canon vdslr is far less than what i can get from a $700 canon hd camcorder..."
Canon Digital Learning Center - Sample EOS 5D Mark II Video: Reverie
We all know YOU are clueless so go to a forum for $700 consumer camcorders.
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