Definition of insanity

Steve.Ledger · 07-15-2014, 05:24 PM

...to keep trying with the K-50 (or my K-01) to get decent video quality as if this time it will be different from all the previous attempts.

Adam · 07-15-2014, 05:27 PM

That's not insanity! Ricoh's decision to launch the XG-1, though...now that's getting there.

Let us know if you need any specific video tips. The K-01 should be a bit better than the K-50 since you get stereo sound and external audio input.

Steve.Ledger · 07-15-2014, 05:34 PM

Stereo sound doesn't make the video (image) quality any better though, does it?

(I have an external Zoom recorder anyway

)

Sparkle · 07-15-2014, 07:47 PM

Albert Einstein is widely credited with saying “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”.

stevebrot · 07-15-2014, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by Steve.Ledger

...to keep trying with the K-50 (or my K-01) to get decent video quality as if this time it will be different from all the previous attempts.

You can always just pay 3x the money for a GH4 (body only) and get (almost) all the stuff you want, but that may be just another form of insanity.

Steve

Steve.Ledger · 07-15-2014, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by Sparkle

Albert Einstein is widely credited with saying “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”.

Exactly

---------- Post added 07-16-14 at 01:16 PM ----------

Originally posted by stevebrot

You can always just pay 3x the money for a GH4 (body only) and get (almost) all the stuff you want, but that may be just another form of insanity.

You're right, I could and it would...

magkelly · 07-16-2014, 01:30 AM

I honestly do not understand why so many people are trying to use their DSLR's like they were proper video cams. The video in a DSLR IMHO is at best suited to doing 10 minute You Tube vids, if that. It just seems to me a decent pocket sized hand video cam makes far more sense and they're not expensive anymore so why even bother doing it on a DSLR? DSLR's they're for still shots. If I wanted to make a film I'd definitely get a camera made for that. You don't think it's an exercise in frustration compared to using a little hand video cam?

Steve.Ledger · 07-16-2014, 03:24 AM

Originally posted by magkelly

I honestly do not understand why so many people are trying to use their DSLR's?

Clearly..

Steve.Ledger · 07-18-2014, 12:37 PM

Hi Eric,
With respect - it's nothing to do with light or megapixels in-so-far-as the Pentax movie mode quality is concerned. It's all about codec, bitrate, cropping and god awful aliasing/moire (due to line skipping). And of course there's that horrid Movie SR of theirs which is really a sick joke.
For portrait style shooting with a shallow DoF, these DLSRs work quite well - but anything else that requires detail for distance is rubbish.

**monochrome** · 07-18-2014, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by Steve.Ledger

For portrait style shooting with a shallow DoF, these DLSRs work quite well - but anything else that requires detail for distance is rubbish.

A sane person would use something else.

Steve.Ledger · 07-18-2014, 01:38 PM

Of course, with Pentax gear that's the only viable option right now.
Point is for many [of us nutters] is that carrying one camera capable to fullfulling both tasks equally as well, is the holy grail we're after.
Panasonic can do it, Sony are doing it - it can be done. We want it

Steve.Ledger · 07-18-2014, 04:51 PM

Not just me who is disappointed, Eric.

kadajawi · 07-20-2014, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by magkelly

I honestly do not understand why so many people are trying to use their DSLR's like they were proper video cams. The video in a DSLR IMHO is at best suited to doing 10 minute You Tube vids, if that. It just seems to me a decent pocket sized hand video cam makes far more sense and they're not expensive anymore so why even bother doing it on a DSLR? DSLR's they're for still shots. If I wanted to make a film I'd definitely get a camera made for that. You don't think it's an exercise in frustration compared to using a little hand video cam?

Camcorders are only meant for convenience. The quality absolutely sucks (even if you spend a lot), and you have little control over the look. My K-5 makes much better looking video than a top of the line Panasonic consumer camcorder costing more than the K-5 at launch. It is just not as easy.

I might as well recommend you to use a smartphone rather than a DSLR for stills, because the smartphone is so much better and more convenient.

If you look at the professional market people are using DSLRs, or if they have more money DSLR related camcorders for cinema use (i.e. costing 10000 and above). Camcorders aren't used except perhaps for documentaries where it shouldn't look professional.

richandfleur · 07-20-2014, 10:58 PM - **1 Like**

No, it's not just you mate. Honestly can't understand why people wouldn't use their DSLR's for video!

Very seriously considering a Sony A6000 with my Pentax lenses, plus one of those speed booster thingies...

p38arover · 07-21-2014, 01:23 AM

I thought I'd seen a post by Benjamin Kanarek saying that he used the K-01 for video.

07-15-2014, 05:24 PM	#1
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07-15-2014, 05:34 PM	#3
Steve.Ledger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far North Qld Posts: 3,301 Original Poster	Stereo sound doesn't make the video (image) quality any better though, does it? (I have an external Zoom recorder anyway )

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Sparkle Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,521	Albert Einstein is widely credited with saying “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”.

07-15-2014, 07:47 PM	#5
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Steve.Ledger ...to keep trying with the K-50 (or my K-01) to get decent video quality as if this time it will be different from all the previous attempts. You can always just pay 3x the money for a GH4 (body only) and get (almost) all the stuff you want, but that may be just another form of insanity. Steve

07-15-2014, 08:15 PM	#6
Steve.Ledger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far North Qld Posts: 3,301 Original Poster	Originally posted by Sparkle Albert Einstein is widely credited with saying “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”. Exactly ---------- Post added 07-16-14 at 01:16 PM ---------- Originally posted by stevebrot You can always just pay 3x the money for a GH4 (body only) and get (almost) all the stuff you want, but that may be just another form of insanity. You're right, I could and it would...

07-16-2014, 01:30 AM	#7
magkelly Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,901	I honestly do not understand why so many people are trying to use their DSLR's like they were proper video cams. The video in a DSLR IMHO is at best suited to doing 10 minute You Tube vids, if that. It just seems to me a decent pocket sized hand video cam makes far more sense and they're not expensive anymore so why even bother doing it on a DSLR? DSLR's they're for still shots. If I wanted to make a film I'd definitely get a camera made for that. You don't think it's an exercise in frustration compared to using a little hand video cam?

07-16-2014, 03:24 AM	#8
Steve.Ledger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far North Qld Posts: 3,301 Original Poster	Originally posted by magkelly I honestly do not understand why so many people are trying to use their DSLR's? Clearly..

07-18-2014, 12:37 PM	#9
Steve.Ledger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far North Qld Posts: 3,301 Original Poster	Hi Eric, With respect - it's nothing to do with light or megapixels in-so-far-as the Pentax movie mode quality is concerned. It's all about codec, bitrate, cropping and god awful aliasing/moire (due to line skipping). And of course there's that horrid Movie SR of theirs which is really a sick joke. For portrait style shooting with a shallow DoF, these DLSRs work quite well - but anything else that requires detail for distance is rubbish.

07-18-2014, 01:33 PM	#10
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Steve.Ledger For portrait style shooting with a shallow DoF, these DLSRs work quite well - but anything else that requires detail for distance is rubbish. A sane person would use something else.

07-18-2014, 01:38 PM	#11
Steve.Ledger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far North Qld Posts: 3,301 Original Poster	Of course, with Pentax gear that's the only viable option right now. Point is for many [of us nutters] is that carrying one camera capable to fullfulling both tasks equally as well, is the holy grail we're after. Panasonic can do it, Sony are doing it - it can be done. We want it

07-18-2014, 04:51 PM	#12
Steve.Ledger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far North Qld Posts: 3,301 Original Poster	Not just me who is disappointed, Eric.

07-20-2014, 09:58 AM	#13
kadajawi Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,799	Originally posted by magkelly I honestly do not understand why so many people are trying to use their DSLR's like they were proper video cams. The video in a DSLR IMHO is at best suited to doing 10 minute You Tube vids, if that. It just seems to me a decent pocket sized hand video cam makes far more sense and they're not expensive anymore so why even bother doing it on a DSLR? DSLR's they're for still shots. If I wanted to make a film I'd definitely get a camera made for that. You don't think it's an exercise in frustration compared to using a little hand video cam? Camcorders are only meant for convenience. The quality absolutely sucks (even if you spend a lot), and you have little control over the look. My K-5 makes much better looking video than a top of the line Panasonic consumer camcorder costing more than the K-5 at launch. It is just not as easy. I might as well recommend you to use a smartphone rather than a DSLR for stills, because the smartphone is so much better and more convenient. If you look at the professional market people are using DSLRs, or if they have more money DSLR related camcorders for cinema use (i.e. costing 10000 and above). Camcorders aren't used except perhaps for documentaries where it shouldn't look professional.

07-20-2014, 10:58 PM - 1 Like	#14
richandfleur Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Palmerston North, New Zealand Photos: Albums Posts: 1,788	No, it's not just you mate. Honestly can't understand why people wouldn't use their DSLR's for video! Very seriously considering a Sony A6000 with my Pentax lenses, plus one of those speed booster thingies...

07-21-2014, 01:23 AM	#15
p38arover Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Western Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,084	I thought I'd seen a post by Benjamin Kanarek saying that he used the K-01 for video.