Pentax K-S1 video samples

Steve.Ledger · 10-24-2014, 01:04 AM

A thread for posting any K-S1 video samples to review.

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**i_trax** · 10-24-2014, 01:19 AM

nice video, a bit of wind noise, lot of Skoda's , it must be in Skodaland.

PiDicus Rex · 10-24-2014, 01:36 AM

Might be a good idea to post the videos on Vimeo - less compression by website.

What shutter speed were you filming at - I'm watching the verticals to look for rolling shutter skew, and there doesn't seem to be much there compared to other cameras.
I take it the SR was switched off

LensBeginner · 10-24-2014, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by PiDicus Rex

Might be a good idea to post the videos on Vimeo - less compression by website.

What shutter speed were you filming at - I'm watching the verticals to look for rolling shutter skew, and there doesn't seem to be much there compared to other cameras.
I take it the SR was switched off

Well, I'm not much into video, but the panning movement was slow...
The cars were the only thing that moved fast and there are not many long verticals on them...

Nice video!

Steve.Ledger · 10-24-2014, 02:34 AM

Sorry, it's not my video (I don't even know what language that is

). I'm just posting K-S1 shot videos that I (or anyone else) find here..
Keep them all in one thread for easy review.

LensBeginner · 10-24-2014, 02:59 AM

Originally posted by Steve.Ledger

Sorry, it's not my video (I don't even know what language that is

). I'm just posting K-S1 shot videos that I (or anyone else) find here..
Keep them all in one thread for easy review.

Well, "ukazkove" is a Slovak word according to Google Translator (it should mean something along the lines of "first test")... it could also be Czech for all I know on the topic (i.e. nothing).
However, that part of the world...

Giklab · 10-24-2014, 07:39 AM

It's Czech. Check the channel name.

richandfleur · 11-02-2014, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by Steve.Ledger

Sorry, it's not my video (I don't even know what language that is

). I'm just posting K-S1 shot videos that I (or anyone else) find here..
Keep them all in one thread for easy review.

Good stuff, thanks for taking the initiative mate.

Warping at the start of the pan at 0:39s?

Not enabling real S/R on a camera with the hardware to do it? = fail.

Steve.Ledger · 11-02-2014, 02:35 PM

Thanks,

Here's another. Not very good and note the closing clip with the marmalade cat which really shows the MovieSR at it's finest

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---------- Post added 11-03-14 at 07:38 AM ----------

Here's another where MovieSR really improves the shot, big time... (for heavens sakes PENTAX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

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---------- Post added 11-03-14 at 07:40 AM ----------

One more.
No wobble, I think the operator knew to switch off SR when tripod mounted, though the IQ isn't any better than the K-50/K-01

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kadajawi · 11-04-2014, 03:57 AM - **1 Like**

Pentax is run by a bunch of ignorant fools. Unless they give the reason that reliability is a concern there is really no excuse.

And this whole nonsense goes to show how not at all Pentax listens to customers. I really doubt there is ANYONE who says please give me movieSR, and not mechanical SR.

richandfleur · 11-04-2014, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by kadajawi

Pentax is run by a bunch of ignorant fools. Unless they give the reason that reliability is a concern there is really no excuse.

And this whole nonsense goes to show how not at all Pentax listens to customers. I really doubt there is ANYONE who says please give me movieSR, and not mechanical SR.

My take on this remains the same. It's all SOFTWARE related, which can be fixed if you take the time to pay it some attention.

Keep movie SR for anyone who actively wants to stuff up their recordings, but offer a menu switchable option that enables mechanical stabilisation, with code that mimics the K-5 era approach to this.
Include a one liner in the manual about how this option may cause audible noise.
Job done.

I'm actually starting to wonder if they couldn't tune that system sufficiently well on the new processor/software language of the new cameras.

LensBeginner · 11-04-2014, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by kadajawi

Pentax is run by a bunch of ignorant fools. Unless they give the reason that reliability is a concern there is really no excuse.

And this whole nonsense goes to show how not at all Pentax listens to customers. I really doubt there is ANYONE who says please give me movieSR, and not mechanical SR.

Well, those are quite harsh words...
One of the main reason I suspect is that they couldn't make the mechanical SR system quiet enough...
That's obviously not an issue if you, like me, are using an external recorder with more or less directional mics (cardioid or shotgun), or mics placed far from the camera, but it indeed is an issue for the average Joe using the camera on Sundays...

Steve.Ledger · 11-04-2014, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by LensBeginner

One of the main reason I suspect is that they couldn't make the mechanical SR system quiet enough...
That's obviously not an issue if you, like me, are using an external recorder with more or less directional mics (cardioid or shotgun), or mics placed far from the camera, but it indeed is an issue for the average Joe using the camera on Sundays...

If it were true then that would suggest that Pentax actually cared about Video - but we have all the evidence we need to show that they they really don't.
I never accepted it as a reason. It was never an issue with the K-7 and it's not even loud enough to be picked up with the K-01, K-50 or even the Q (if it were also used on Video mode).
And as you say, if it WAS an issue, it's a no brainer to use a shotgun mic or, if you're a bit more serious about audio for you clips an external recorder (TASCAM/Zoom etc) .
In my opinion there's no justifiable reasoning to this MovieSR. It's so abysmally bad (see videos above) I can't figure how it got passed as good enough to be used in a camera wearing the PENTAX marque. There's not even been any improvement since it's introduction in the Q and K-01. It's honestly shameful.

LensBeginner · 11-04-2014, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by Steve.Ledger

If it were true then that would suggest that Pentax actually cared about Video - but we have all the evidence we need to show that they they really don't.
I never accepted it as a reason. It was never an issue with the K-7 and it's not even loud enough to be picked up with the K-01, K-50 or even the Q (if it were also used on Video mode).
And as you say, if it WAS an issue, it's a no brainer to use a shotgun mic or, if you're a bit more serious about audio for you clips an external recorder (TASCAM/Zoom etc) .
In my opinion there's no justifiable reasoning to this MovieSR. It's so abysmally bad (see videos above) I can't figure how it got passed as good enough to be used in a camera wearing the PENTAX marque. There's not even been any improvement since it's introduction in the Q and K-01. It's honestly shameful.

I believe the K-01 only has digital video SR as well...

Yep, I use a H4n (or a Scarlett when I have some mains into which plug a laptop)... it's a darn Swiss army knife... does almost everything, but pres are a little bit noisy...
On that topic, I can't fathom why a pro would want a mic input in a camera for video... low-quality audio is (should be) good enough for automatic sync in software (PP), only thing I can think of is re-routing an output from the recorder in order to have the exact same track in the video as well...

Steve.Ledger · 11-04-2014, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by LensBeginner

I believe the K-01 only has digital video SR as well....

Correct, as I said; (if it were also used on Video mode).
No Pentax body uses mechanical SR in video mode since the K-5/II/IIs.

You're right, Pentax have assumed only the hobbiests would use in-camera audio because Pros would definately not. Yet they promote the K-3 as being Professional video !?
PENTAX - K-3

Just doesn't add up does it.

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10-24-2014, 01:19 AM	#2
i_trax Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Perth Western Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,621	nice video, a bit of wind noise, lot of Skoda's , it must be in Skodaland.

10-24-2014, 01:36 AM	#3
PiDicus Rex Veteran Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,381	Might be a good idea to post the videos on Vimeo - less compression by website. What shutter speed were you filming at - I'm watching the verticals to look for rolling shutter skew, and there doesn't seem to be much there compared to other cameras. I take it the SR was switched off

10-24-2014, 01:54 AM	#4
LensBeginner Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,696	Originally posted by PiDicus Rex Might be a good idea to post the videos on Vimeo - less compression by website. What shutter speed were you filming at - I'm watching the verticals to look for rolling shutter skew, and there doesn't seem to be much there compared to other cameras. I take it the SR was switched off Well, I'm not much into video, but the panning movement was slow... The cars were the only thing that moved fast and there are not many long verticals on them... Nice video!

10-24-2014, 02:34 AM	#5
Steve.Ledger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far North Qld Posts: 3,301 Original Poster	Sorry, it's not my video (I don't even know what language that is ). I'm just posting K-S1 shot videos that I (or anyone else) find here.. Keep them all in one thread for easy review.

10-24-2014, 02:59 AM	#6
LensBeginner Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,696	Originally posted by Steve.Ledger Sorry, it's not my video (I don't even know what language that is ). I'm just posting K-S1 shot videos that I (or anyone else) find here.. Keep them all in one thread for easy review. Well, "ukazkove" is a Slovak word according to Google Translator (it should mean something along the lines of "first test")... it could also be Czech for all I know on the topic (i.e. nothing). However, that part of the world...

10-24-2014, 07:39 AM	#7
Giklab Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Slovenia Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,182	It's Czech. Check the channel name.

11-02-2014, 02:05 PM	#8
richandfleur Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Palmerston North, New Zealand Photos: Albums Posts: 1,788	Originally posted by Steve.Ledger Sorry, it's not my video (I don't even know what language that is ). I'm just posting K-S1 shot videos that I (or anyone else) find here.. Keep them all in one thread for easy review. Good stuff, thanks for taking the initiative mate. Warping at the start of the pan at 0:39s? Not enabling real S/R on a camera with the hardware to do it? = fail.

11-04-2014, 03:57 AM - 1 Like	#10
kadajawi Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,799	Pentax is run by a bunch of ignorant fools. Unless they give the reason that reliability is a concern there is really no excuse. And this whole nonsense goes to show how not at all Pentax listens to customers. I really doubt there is ANYONE who says please give me movieSR, and not mechanical SR.

11-04-2014, 02:52 PM	#11
richandfleur Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Palmerston North, New Zealand Photos: Albums Posts: 1,788	Originally posted by kadajawi Pentax is run by a bunch of ignorant fools. Unless they give the reason that reliability is a concern there is really no excuse. And this whole nonsense goes to show how not at all Pentax listens to customers. I really doubt there is ANYONE who says please give me movieSR, and not mechanical SR. My take on this remains the same. It's all SOFTWARE related, which can be fixed if you take the time to pay it some attention. Keep movie SR for anyone who actively wants to stuff up their recordings, but offer a menu switchable option that enables mechanical stabilisation, with code that mimics the K-5 era approach to this. Include a one liner in the manual about how this option may cause audible noise. Job done. I'm actually starting to wonder if they couldn't tune that system sufficiently well on the new processor/software language of the new cameras.

11-04-2014, 03:06 PM	#12
LensBeginner Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,696	Originally posted by kadajawi Pentax is run by a bunch of ignorant fools. Unless they give the reason that reliability is a concern there is really no excuse. And this whole nonsense goes to show how not at all Pentax listens to customers. I really doubt there is ANYONE who says please give me movieSR, and not mechanical SR. Well, those are quite harsh words... One of the main reason I suspect is that they couldn't make the mechanical SR system quiet enough... That's obviously not an issue if you, like me, are using an external recorder with more or less directional mics (cardioid or shotgun), or mics placed far from the camera, but it indeed is an issue for the average Joe using the camera on Sundays...

11-04-2014, 03:19 PM	#13
Steve.Ledger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far North Qld Posts: 3,301 Original Poster	Originally posted by LensBeginner One of the main reason I suspect is that they couldn't make the mechanical SR system quiet enough... That's obviously not an issue if you, like me, are using an external recorder with more or less directional mics (cardioid or shotgun), or mics placed far from the camera, but it indeed is an issue for the average Joe using the camera on Sundays... If it were true then that would suggest that Pentax actually cared about Video - but we have all the evidence we need to show that they they really don't. I never accepted it as a reason. It was never an issue with the K-7 and it's not even loud enough to be picked up with the K-01, K-50 or even the Q (if it were also used on Video mode). And as you say, if it WAS an issue, it's a no brainer to use a shotgun mic or, if you're a bit more serious about audio for you clips an external recorder (TASCAM/Zoom etc) . In my opinion there's no justifiable reasoning to this MovieSR. It's so abysmally bad (see videos above) I can't figure how it got passed as good enough to be used in a camera wearing the PENTAX marque. There's not even been any improvement since it's introduction in the Q and K-01. It's honestly shameful.

11-04-2014, 03:30 PM	#14
LensBeginner Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,696	Originally posted by Steve.Ledger If it were true then that would suggest that Pentax actually cared about Video - but we have all the evidence we need to show that they they really don't. I never accepted it as a reason. It was never an issue with the K-7 and it's not even loud enough to be picked up with the K-01, K-50 or even the Q (if it were also used on Video mode). And as you say, if it WAS an issue, it's a no brainer to use a shotgun mic or, if you're a bit more serious about audio for you clips an external recorder (TASCAM/Zoom etc) . In my opinion there's no justifiable reasoning to this MovieSR. It's so abysmally bad (see videos above) I can't figure how it got passed as good enough to be used in a camera wearing the PENTAX marque. There's not even been any improvement since it's introduction in the Q and K-01. It's honestly shameful. I believe the K-01 only has digital video SR as well... Yep, I use a H4n (or a Scarlett when I have some mains into which plug a laptop)... it's a darn Swiss army knife... does almost everything, but pres are a little bit noisy... On that topic, I can't fathom why a pro would want a mic input in a camera for video... low-quality audio is (should be) good enough for automatic sync in software (PP), only thing I can think of is re-routing an output from the recorder in order to have the exact same track in the video as well...

11-04-2014, 04:09 PM	#15
Steve.Ledger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far North Qld Posts: 3,301 Original Poster	Originally posted by LensBeginner I believe the K-01 only has digital video SR as well.... Correct, as I said; (if it were also used on Video mode). No Pentax body uses mechanical SR in video mode since the K-5/II/IIs. You're right, Pentax have assumed only the hobbiests would use in-camera audio because Pros would definately not. Yet they promote the K-3 as being Professional video !? PENTAX - K-3 Just doesn't add up does it.