[kadajawi]

Canon isn't better for video than Pentax though.

[Steve.Ledger]

No, but it does have better support and 'Magic Lantern'...

[Imp]

Canon isn't better for video than Pentax though.

It doesn't have that "Pentax look" to the video, it doesn't crush the blacks so much, and wide angle shots with a so-so lens don't look so crappy

[Imp]

Hey, guys, one question: https://www.keh.com/363254/sigma-17-70mm-f-2-8-4-dc-macro-os-hsm-c-contempor...ensor-dslrs-72

That doesn't look like the Sigma 17-70 C lens... what do you think it is?

[kadajawi]

No, but it does have better support and 'Magic Lantern'...

Yeah. But who is bothering with Magic Lantern?

And what is wrong with that Pentax look? Pentax a) doesn't have to crush the blacks, you can change that in the settings and b) looks pretty good to me.

If it were me it would be a Nikon. Better made, better quality (also for video, unless you use Magic Lantern).

[Steve.Ledger]

I think tons of people are using Magic Lantern, why do you think otherwise?

[richandfleur]

who is bothering with Magic Lantern?

Anyone using Canon predominantly for video purposes.

[PiDicus Rex]

It doesn't have that "Pentax look" to the video, it doesn't crush the blacks so much

Use the image profile young Padawan.

The Canon is a logical choice within reasonable budget constraints, but do switch off SR to teach better camera operation skills.

[kadajawi]

Ok ok, people use Magic Lantern. But who knows at what point will Canon have had enough and deactivates Magic Lantern? At what point will they think their Cinema EOS sales could earn them more if they forced people to move there?

Maybe it will never happen, maybe it will. Granted you can chose not to make that firmware update, but Canon has other ways of shutting down ML.

[Imp]

Hypotheticals. Why would Canon try to do that, if ML is the reason someone chooses a t5i vs. a Nikon D3200? There is a big difference between entry level dslrs and cinema eos in price, its not like one or the other.

[jackloganbill]

I recommend the K-50 for photography. For video, consider the Nikon CoolPix S7000. I have both and the CoolPix is incredible for video...and it has a decent wide angle to zoom range (25-500mm 35mm equiv)...video options:

Full HD: 1920x1080/ 30p
Full HD: 1920x1080/ 25p
Full HD: 1920x1080/ 60i
Full HD: 1920x1080/ 50i
HD: 1280x720/ 30p
HD: 1280x720/ 25p
HS 1920x1080/ 15p
HS 1920x1080/ 12.5p
VGA 640x480/ 30p
VGA 640x480/ 25p
HS 640x480/ 100p
HS 640x480/ 120p

jack

[kadajawi]

Hypotheticals. Why would Canon try to do that, if ML is the reason someone chooses a t5i vs. a Nikon D3200? There is a big difference between entry level dslrs and cinema eos in price, its not like one or the other.

Yes, between entry level DSLRs and Cinema EOS there's a big price difference. However you'll have to follow the chain. A 7D or 5D vs a C100? Yes, there is a price difference, and it is big, but not that big anymore. So should Canon block ML there? Because while not everyone who want the 7D/5D + ML for video would be able to afford a C100, there are enough of them, especially considering that the C100 is probably not that expensive to make, so profits are nice. But if the 7D can't use ML, what about the 700D, T5i, whatever it is called? If you allow it there, those who would buy the 7D would just get the 700D. And on and on. Also, a 7D/5D with ML in some areas easily surpasses the C100, or perhaps even C300 (like raw video). ML makes the cameras too attractive.

Maybe Canon will never block ML, but they have good reasons why they would do it, and they are able to do it. For the moment they still seem to be ok with it, but that can change.

[Steve.Ledger]

I recommend the K-50 for photography. For video, consider the Nikon CoolPix S7000. I have both and the CoolPix is incredible for video...

Video from a 1/2.3-in sensor camera is always going to initially look better to the casual observer than an APS-C sensor in DSLRs for video. Much like a smartphone the DoF is huge. For this reason the Pentax MX-1 produces (easy) video much nicer for casual video clips.
The point to DSLR video is not massive DoF with everything in focus, it's the lens interchangeability and the cinematic feel from using shallow dof to separate subjects from the background (as seen in all TV shows and movies) which is next to impossible with small PnS camera with tiny sensors.

[richandfleur]

The point to DSLR video is not massive DoF with everything is focus, it's the lens interchangeability and the cinematic feel from using shallow dof to separate subjects from the background (as seen in all TV shows and movies) which is next to impossible with small PnS camera with tiny sensors.

Fully agree, and hopefully with better low light/wider dynamic range also.