K1 Video is not that bad

Steve.Ledger · 08-22-2017, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by Snakeisthestuff

As per request a very short unedited video-sample (K-1 FF-Mode + DA* 55 + ext. mic Rode stereo video mic pro):
Dropbox - IMGP4859.avi

Download file for full video quality inspection (~100 MB). Original camera codec, not reencoded in any way.

The K-1 saves .MOV video files in the H.264 codec, how is you you have an .avi if it is an unedited sample Original camera codec, not reencoded in any way.?

EDIT: Tried three times to download the file from Dropbox, but it fails at about 65% each time.

EDIT#2: Got the file on fourth try.
Media Info says Writing library : VirtualDub build 35491/release
Why not upload the untouched OOC *.mov file?

Last edited by Steve.Ledger; 08-22-2017 at 08:31 PM.

Snakeisthestuff · 08-23-2017, 09:19 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Steve.Ledger

The K-1 saves .MOV video files in the H.264 codec, how is you you have an .avi if it is an unedited sample Original camera codec, not reencoded in any way.?

EDIT: Tried three times to download the file from Dropbox, but it fails at about 65% each time.

EDIT#2: Got the file on fourth try.
Media Info says Writing library : VirtualDub build 35491/release
Why not upload the untouched OOC *.mov file?

Simple answer, the original file is 2GB which I obviously won't upload.
So i cut that clip using vdub with directstream-copy on video / audio, hence the file extension and media info.

I did cutting not see as editing, but your right it is edited in that regard.
Btw. your welcome!

Fenwoodian · 08-23-2017, 12:15 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Snakeisthestuff

Btw. your welcome!

Snake, I'll take a moment to say "THANKS" for your excellent contributions to this thread.

Unfortunately, so many members here not only don't bother to thank others for going the extra yard, but some (like camyum in the second post above) make demands that sound like military orders!

Snakeisthestuff · 08-23-2017, 02:47 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Fenwoodian

Snake, I'll take a moment to say "THANKS" for your excellent contributions to this thread.

Unfortunately, so many members here not only don't bother to thank others for going the extra yard, but some (like camyum in the second post above) make demands that sound like military orders!

Your welcome. Happy to contribute to your thread

**smigol** · 08-24-2017, 01:25 PM

Here is a 6 minute K-1 video that's unedited. Shot last summer with a craptacular film-era Tamron 28 to 210 zoom.

Dropbox - IMGP1532.MOV

Steve.Ledger · 08-24-2017, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by smigol

Here is a 6 minute K-1 video that's unedited. Shot last summer with a craptacular film-era Tamron 28 to 210 zoom.

That's quite acceptable footage for those who don't regard anything not 4K as rubbish.
But again, Pentax have shot themselves in the foot with that totally destructive digital SR. They must be blind.
Excellent kite, when it wasn't getting snagged up on it's own pilot kite

PS: To others, it's just a smidgen over 1 gigabyte download.

madbrain · 08-24-2017, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by smigol

Here is a 6 minute K-1 video that's unedited. Shot last summer with a craptacular film-era Tamron 28 to 210 zoom.

Dropbox - IMGP1532.MOV

Thanks, that was surprisingly decent .

TomGarn · 08-25-2017, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Snakeisthestuff

As per request a very short unedited video-sample (K-1 FF-Mode + DA* 55 + ext. mic Rode stereo video mic pro):
Dropbox - IMGP4859.avi

Thanks to you, Snakeisthestuff !
Yes, no need to talk about the video-quality it seems, Sad.
Smartphones can mostly do better in such situations ...

But the sound is quite good, maybe because of distant speakers ?
Oh, you even got the RODE on external. Very good !

In daylight video might be better ?
But Thanks anyway ... and whatever the outcome might be !!!

Originally posted by smigol

Here is a 6 minute K-1 video that's unedited. Shot last summer with a craptacular film-era Tamron 28 to 210 zoom.
Dropbox - IMGP1532.MOV

Thanks for your video-clip Smigol !
Good to see someone share his stuff - even though the quality cannot cheer up anyone.
Well, that lense may be also a reason for little sharpness, but for photos it might serve you well - while travelling, etc.
The SR is just terrible. Don't use it please, It is disgusting. Oh my ....

Thanks again !

richandfleur · 08-28-2017, 06:26 PM - **1 Like**

Pentax video has been good enough for a long time now.
What's missing is the extra bits that help you out in anything other than ideal shooting conditions.

The stabilisation is no longer mechanical, and the bit rates are at least half what nearly all the competition are offering.
Put those two together and the video quickly breaks apart during busy scenes.

I've now done paid work with the K-3 and the client was very happy with the results. There is much more than just the video pictures that go into a successful video piece of work, but at the same time it would be really nice if Pentax gave even half a days thought to improving the base they already have.

Fenwoodian · 09-02-2017, 11:17 AM

Well, after a few days of testing many K mount and adapted lenses on my K1 camera, I've come up with a "video lens kit" of my favorite lenses for video recording on the K1 camera. This kit includes:

1. Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 Art lens
2. MC Helios 44M-4 58mm f/2 lens serial number 90320411

These lenses equaled (or bettered) many much more expensive lenses (including Voigtlander, Zeiss, and Pentax lenses).

I'd have to say the best bang for your buck is the Helios lens. I believe that I only paid around $150 for it, and I was particularly impressed with the colors that it renders and its' sharpness! I did try 3 or 4 other Helios versions, but found that the MC 44M-4 was the best of them. It's just "crazy good" in the video mode on my K1 cameras - a definite must have lens for K1 video.

**RKKS08** · 09-03-2017, 03:55 PM - **1 Like**

The Helios 44-4 was sold with M42 mount (Helios 44M-4) and K mount (Heilios 44K-4).
As far as I know, these two are otherwise identical.

For that kind of work it probably won't matter, but for other applications it may be more convenient not to use an adapter (changing lenses in the field comes to mind).

kadajawi · 10-05-2017, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

At the same time, really old movies like Rear Window or Casablanca are still rewatchable, even though they aren't HD because of the other factors at play.

Those movies were shot at 4K or higher

As long as it was shot on 35mm film (or higher). Now film stock back then wasn't as good as it is now, but still the resolution should be high enough for at the very least 1080p.

08-25-2017, 01:13 PM	#23
TomGarn Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Hamburg Posts: 339	Originally posted by Snakeisthestuff As per request a very short unedited video-sample (K-1 FF-Mode + DA* 55 + ext. mic Rode stereo video mic pro): Dropbox - IMGP4859.avi Thanks to you, Snakeisthestuff ! Yes, no need to talk about the video-quality it seems, Sad. Smartphones can mostly do better in such situations ... But the sound is quite good, maybe because of distant speakers ? Oh, you even got the RODE on external. Very good ! In daylight video might be better ? But Thanks anyway ... and whatever the outcome might be !!! Originally posted by smigol Here is a 6 minute K-1 video that's unedited. Shot last summer with a craptacular film-era Tamron 28 to 210 zoom. Dropbox - IMGP1532.MOV Thanks for your video-clip Smigol ! Good to see someone share his stuff - even though the quality cannot cheer up anyone. Well, that lense may be also a reason for little sharpness, but for photos it might serve you well - while travelling, etc. The SR is just terrible. Don't use it please, It is disgusting. Oh my .... Thanks again ! Last edited by TomGarn; 08-25-2017 at 02:14 PM.

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08-22-2017, 05:40 PM	#16
Steve.Ledger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far North Qld Posts: 3,301	Originally posted by Snakeisthestuff As per request a very short unedited video-sample (K-1 FF-Mode + DA* 55 + ext. mic Rode stereo video mic pro): Dropbox - IMGP4859.avi Download file for full video quality inspection (~100 MB). Original camera codec, not reencoded in any way. The K-1 saves .MOV video files in the H.264 codec, how is you you have an .avi if it is an unedited sample Original camera codec, not reencoded in any way.? EDIT: Tried three times to download the file from Dropbox, but it fails at about 65% each time. EDIT#2: Got the file on fourth try. Media Info says Writing library : VirtualDub build 35491/release Why not upload the untouched OOC .mov file? Last edited by Steve.Ledger; 08-22-2017 at 08:31 PM.*

08-23-2017, 09:19 AM - 1 Like	#17
Snakeisthestuff Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Photos: Gallery Posts: 136	Originally posted by Steve.Ledger The K-1 saves .MOV video files in the H.264 codec, how is you you have an .avi if it is an unedited sample Original camera codec, not reencoded in any way.? EDIT: Tried three times to download the file from Dropbox, but it fails at about 65% each time. EDIT#2: Got the file on fourth try. Media Info says Writing library : VirtualDub build 35491/release Why not upload the untouched OOC *.mov file? Simple answer, the original file is 2GB which I obviously won't upload. So i cut that clip using vdub with directstream-copy on video / audio, hence the file extension and media info. I did cutting not see as editing, but your right it is edited in that regard. Btw. your welcome!

08-23-2017, 12:15 PM - 1 Like	#18
Fenwoodian Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,874 Original Poster	Originally posted by Snakeisthestuff Btw. your welcome! Snake, I'll take a moment to say "THANKS" for your excellent contributions to this thread. Unfortunately, so many members here not only don't bother to thank others for going the extra yard, but some (like camyum in the second post above) make demands that sound like military orders!

08-23-2017, 02:47 PM - 1 Like	#19
Snakeisthestuff Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Photos: Gallery Posts: 136	Originally posted by Fenwoodian Snake, I'll take a moment to say "THANKS" for your excellent contributions to this thread. Unfortunately, so many members here not only don't bother to thank others for going the extra yard, but some (like camyum in the second post above) make demands that sound like military orders! Your welcome. Happy to contribute to your thread

08-24-2017, 01:25 PM	#20
smigol Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Menlo Park, CA Photos: Albums Posts: 422	Here is a 6 minute K-1 video that's unedited. Shot last summer with a craptacular film-era Tamron 28 to 210 zoom. Dropbox - IMGP1532.MOV

08-24-2017, 08:26 PM	#21
Steve.Ledger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far North Qld Posts: 3,301	Originally posted by smigol Here is a 6 minute K-1 video that's unedited. Shot last summer with a craptacular film-era Tamron 28 to 210 zoom. That's quite acceptable footage for those who don't regard anything not 4K as rubbish. But again, Pentax have shot themselves in the foot with that totally destructive digital SR. They must be blind. Excellent kite, when it wasn't getting snagged up on it's own pilot kite PS: To others, it's just a smidgen over 1 gigabyte download.

08-24-2017, 11:24 PM	#22
madbrain Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,341	Originally posted by smigol Here is a 6 minute K-1 video that's unedited. Shot last summer with a craptacular film-era Tamron 28 to 210 zoom. Dropbox - IMGP1532.MOV Thanks, that was surprisingly decent .

08-28-2017, 06:26 PM - 1 Like	#24
richandfleur Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Palmerston North, New Zealand Photos: Albums Posts: 1,788	Pentax video has been good enough for a long time now. What's missing is the extra bits that help you out in anything other than ideal shooting conditions. The stabilisation is no longer mechanical, and the bit rates are at least half what nearly all the competition are offering. Put those two together and the video quickly breaks apart during busy scenes. I've now done paid work with the K-3 and the client was very happy with the results. There is much more than just the video pictures that go into a successful video piece of work, but at the same time it would be really nice if Pentax gave even half a days thought to improving the base they already have.

09-02-2017, 11:17 AM	#25
Fenwoodian Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,874 Original Poster	Well, after a few days of testing many K mount and adapted lenses on my K1 camera, I've come up with a "video lens kit" of my favorite lenses for video recording on the K1 camera. This kit includes: 1. Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 Art lens 2. MC Helios 44M-4 58mm f/2 lens serial number 90320411 These lenses equaled (or bettered) many much more expensive lenses (including Voigtlander, Zeiss, and Pentax lenses). I'd have to say the best bang for your buck is the Helios lens. I believe that I only paid around $150 for it, and I was particularly impressed with the colors that it renders and its' sharpness! I did try 3 or 4 other Helios versions, but found that the MC 44M-4 was the best of them. It's just "crazy good" in the video mode on my K1 cameras - a definite must have lens for K1 video.

09-03-2017, 03:55 PM - 1 Like	#26
RKKS08 Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Frankfurt am Main Posts: 1,241	The Helios 44-4 was sold with M42 mount (Helios 44M-4) and K mount (Heilios 44K-4). As far as I know, these two are otherwise identical. For that kind of work it probably won't matter, but for other applications it may be more convenient not to use an adapter (changing lenses in the field comes to mind).

10-05-2017, 11:28 AM	#27
kadajawi Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,799	Originally posted by Rondec At the same time, really old movies like Rear Window or Casablanca are still rewatchable, even though they aren't HD because of the other factors at play. Those movies were shot at 4K or higher As long as it was shot on 35mm film (or higher). Now film stock back then wasn't as good as it is now, but still the resolution should be high enough for at the very least 1080p.