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cali92rs · 03-06-2012, 03:06 PM - **2 Likes**

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These were taken in the WWII era in Long Beach using 4x5 Kodachrome.
These pictures really interested me because I grew up in the Long Beach, Ca area (about 40 years after these were taken).

Look how rich the colors are!
Amazing.

joe.penn · 03-06-2012, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by cali92rs

These were taken in the WWII era in Long Beach using 4x5 Kodachrome.
These pictures really interested me because I grew up in the Long Beach, Ca area (about 40 years after these were taken).

Look how rich the colors are!
Amazing.

Amazing is an understatement! The skills (both mechanical and artistic) of the photographer(s) are just unbelievable, really puts what a lot of people think photography is this day and age to shame!

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Swift1 · 03-06-2012, 03:45 PM

Amazing!
Thanks for posting.

tuco · 03-06-2012, 03:52 PM

I really like how Rosie The Riveter is all dressed up and has glossy lips still while bucking rivets. What classic shots. The use of light to add depth in many of the shots is something I could draw upon for inspiration.

Last edited by tuco; 03-06-2012 at 03:58 PM.

Pauld · 03-06-2012, 04:20 PM

What great color! It's really a shame how Kodak has gone down the shitter. Truly the end of an era.

cali92rs · 03-06-2012, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by tuco

I really like how Rosie The Riveter is all dressed up and has glossy lips still while bucking rivets. What classic shots. The use of light to add depth in many of the shots is something I could draw upon for inspiration.

Yes, the lighting caught my eye as well...
What kind of lighting was used back then for this kind of shooting??

tuco · 03-06-2012, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by cali92rs

Yes, the lighting caught my eye as well...
What kind of lighting was used back then for this kind of shooting??

Flood lighting I suspect. And color corrected too. In the shot looking up at the girls on the engine you can see the factory overhead lighting is really blue.

jimH · 03-06-2012, 05:03 PM

Those women could be our mothers and sisters, I'm proud of their determination!!

unixrevolution · 03-09-2012, 09:18 AM

It's warm light, I'm kind of suspecting it may be flash bulbs from multiple sources, if not tungsten/incandescent hotlights.

B Grace · 03-10-2012, 07:32 AM

The factory assembly line shots are maybe the best I've seen. I would guess flash bulbs as well and they were placed expertly - I thought of O. Winston Link's night shots of trains. The colors and the sheen from the metal work make me want to look at aircraft again.

**interested_observer** · 03-10-2012, 08:34 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by jimH

Those women could be our mothers and sisters, I'm proud of their determination!!

My Mom was "Rosie The Riveter", actually "Betty The Riveter " and did work at Douglas Aircraft during the war. She is currently 87 and still going strong. With her 17 inch waist they would slide her into the wing assemblies to do the final inspection on the inside. She stills has the cash box that they had to rivet together in class.

tuco · 03-10-2012, 06:55 PM

I work at a large commercial aircraft company and seeing those shots of the airplanes is interesting too. Those single row lap joins on the skins with that tight of a rivet spacing tells me they didn't have to worry much about pressure vessel fatigue (obviously they weren't pressurized), a long life span and aerodynamics using those protruding head rivets everywhere.

jimH · 03-10-2012, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by tuco

I work at a large commercial aircraft company and seeing those shots of the airplanes is interesting too. Those single row lap joins on the skins with that tight of a rivet spacing tells me they didn't have to worry much about pressure vessel fatigue (obviously they weren't pressurized), a long life span and aerodynamics using those protruding head rivets everywhere.

I can guarantee that the DC3s weren't pressurized! I was a flight mechanic on them in the 60s and if we stayed above 10,000 ft for many hours, we would have to visit the oxygen bottle frequently to keep from getting air sick.

RioRico · 03-10-2012, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by cali92rs

These were taken in the WWII era

Or as some (revisionists) would call it, the second war of German encirclement. But I digress. Great shots, by crews who knew how to light subjects. Those big lenses weren't f/2 either, probably closer to f/22 for the DOF needed, and K'chrome wasn't very fast then, like around ASA 25 or 32. So that means a LOT of light to get these exposures. No action shots, you'll notice. All those folks had to freeze for the shutter.

ll_coffee_lP · 03-11-2012, 05:48 AM

Simply incredible series.... Wow.

c[_]

03-06-2012, 03:06 PM - 2 Likes	#1
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	4x5 Kodachromes from WWII http://pavel-kosenko.livejournal.com/303194.html?thread=22669914%A0 These were taken in the WWII era in Long Beach using 4x5 Kodachrome. These pictures really interested me because I grew up in the Long Beach, Ca area (about 40 years after these were taken). Look how rich the colors are! Amazing.

03-10-2012, 06:55 PM	#12
tuco Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pugetopolis Posts: 11,032	I work at a large commercial aircraft company and seeing those shots of the airplanes is interesting too. Those single row lap joins on the skins with that tight of a rivet spacing tells me they didn't have to worry much about pressure vessel fatigue (obviously they weren't pressurized), a long life span and aerodynamics using those protruding head rivets everywhere. Last edited by tuco; 03-10-2012 at 07:16 PM.

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joe.penn Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Maryland (Right Outside Washington DC) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,902	Originally posted by cali92rs These were taken in the WWII era in Long Beach using 4x5 Kodachrome. These pictures really interested me because I grew up in the Long Beach, Ca area (about 40 years after these were taken). Look how rich the colors are! Amazing. Amazing is an understatement! The skills (both mechanical and artistic) of the photographer(s) are just unbelievable, really puts what a lot of people think photography is this day and age to shame! ---

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Swift1 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Oregon Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,079	Amazing! Thanks for posting.

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tuco Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pugetopolis Posts: 11,032	I really like how Rosie The Riveter is all dressed up and has glossy lips still while bucking rivets. What classic shots. The use of light to add depth in many of the shots is something I could draw upon for inspiration. Last edited by tuco; 03-06-2012 at 03:58 PM.

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Pauld Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Calgary, Alberta Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 507	What great color! It's really a shame how Kodak has gone down the shitter. Truly the end of an era.

03-06-2012, 04:50 PM	#6
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354 Original Poster	Originally posted by tuco I really like how Rosie The Riveter is all dressed up and has glossy lips still while bucking rivets. What classic shots. The use of light to add depth in many of the shots is something I could draw upon for inspiration. Yes, the lighting caught my eye as well... What kind of lighting was used back then for this kind of shooting??

03-06-2012, 05:01 PM	#7
tuco Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pugetopolis Posts: 11,032	Originally posted by cali92rs Yes, the lighting caught my eye as well... What kind of lighting was used back then for this kind of shooting?? Flood lighting I suspect. And color corrected too. In the shot looking up at the girls on the engine you can see the factory overhead lighting is really blue.

03-06-2012, 05:03 PM	#8
jimH Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Central Nebraska - USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,771	Those women could be our mothers and sisters, I'm proud of their determination!!

03-09-2012, 09:18 AM	#9
unixrevolution Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Waldorf, MD Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,861	It's warm light, I'm kind of suspecting it may be flash bulbs from multiple sources, if not tungsten/incandescent hotlights.

03-10-2012, 07:32 AM	#10
B Grace Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Western Missouri Posts: 429	The factory assembly line shots are maybe the best I've seen. I would guess flash bulbs as well and they were placed expertly - I thought of O. Winston Link's night shots of trains. The colors and the sheen from the metal work make me want to look at aircraft again.

03-10-2012, 08:34 AM - 1 Like	#11
interested_observer Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Tumbleweed, Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,707	Originally posted by jimH Those women could be our mothers and sisters, I'm proud of their determination!! My Mom was "Rosie The Riveter", actually "Betty The Riveter " and did work at Douglas Aircraft during the war. She is currently 87 and still going strong. With her 17 inch waist they would slide her into the wing assemblies to do the final inspection on the inside. She stills has the cash box that they had to rivet together in class.

03-11-2012, 05:48 AM	#15
ll_coffee_lP Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,972	Simply incredible series.... Wow. c[_]

03-10-2012, 07:33 PM	#13
jimH Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Central Nebraska - USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,771	Originally posted by tuco I work at a large commercial aircraft company and seeing those shots of the airplanes is interesting too. Those single row lap joins on the skins with that tight of a rivet spacing tells me they didn't have to worry much about pressure vessel fatigue (obviously they weren't pressurized), a long life span and aerodynamics using those protruding head rivets everywhere. I can guarantee that the DC3s weren't pressurized! I was a flight mechanic on them in the 60s and if we stayed above 10,000 ft for many hours, we would have to visit the oxygen bottle frequently to keep from getting air sick.

03-10-2012, 08:05 PM	#14
RioRico Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Limbo, California Posts: 11,263	Originally posted by cali92rs These were taken in the WWII era Or as some (revisionists) would call it, the second war of German encirclement. But I digress. Great shots, by crews who knew how to light subjects. Those big lenses weren't f/2 either, probably closer to f/22 for the DOF needed, and K'chrome wasn't very fast then, like around ASA 25 or 32. So that means a LOT of light to get these exposures. No action shots, you'll notice. All those folks had to freeze for the shutter.

4x5 Kodachromes from WWII

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