Blackmagic Cinema Camera

RonHendriks1966 · 04-12-2013, 05:22 AM

Can someone tell more about ProRes?

- filesize
- editing
- quality

- power needed in the camera to produce this (It's around 22 MB/s so that about the amount that K-01 can produce, so would this be possible with just as much power as PRIME M?)

paranoia23 · 04-17-2013, 03:04 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Can someone tell more about ProRes?

- filesize
- editing
- quality

- power needed in the camera to produce this (It's around 22 MB/s so that about the amount that K-01 can produce, so would this be possible with just as much power as PRIME M?)

wikipedia can

jogiba · 04-18-2013, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by Anvh

Well a lot has happened.

They have brought out a MFT version as well, which seems to be much better suited for the Super16 sensor, now if only the mount was an active one...

And over 2 months a fullHD pocket version with active MFT mount is hitting the selves.

And 4k version with a super35 (almost FF) sensor and a new shutter.

It’s Official: Introducing Blackmagic 4K & Pocket Cinema Cameras for $4K and $1K - nofilmschool
NAB Video: Blackmagic 4K and Pocket Cameras - nofilmschool

21.12 x 11.88mm is not almost full frame like my Sony NEX-VG900 that is 35.8 x 23.9mm.

stevebrot · 04-24-2013, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by Anvh

But Pentax is not a film company

...except that they are. Pentax medium format film cameras are still in the product line.

Medium-Format Cameras : Film Cameras | PENTAX RICOH IMAGING

Anvh · 05-01-2013, 06:29 AM

That you american use the word video for it is not my problem

Film - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anvh · 05-01-2013, 06:38 AM

Originally posted by jogiba

21.12 x 11.88mm is not almost full frame like my Sony NEX-VG900 that is 35.8 x 23.9mm.

FF means it's full frame. So that it fills the whole size of a standard size.

But it's indeed almost 135 format film though

BMC 4K is 22.12mm wide while 135 format is 24mm wide so yes, 1,88 mm differnce is called almost

Anvh · 05-01-2013, 06:40 AM

Originally posted by jogiba

21.12 x 11.88mm is not almost full frame like my Sony NEX-VG900 that is 35.8 x 23.9mm.

No idea what your photo tries to proof though, they are both. The one on the left is not the BMC 4k

jogiba · 05-01-2013, 07:57 AM

Originally posted by Anvh

No idea what your photo tries to proof though, they are both. The one on the left is not the BMC 4k

That is a photo of a Sony video camera with APS-C sensor next to the Sony NEX-VG900 with full frame sensor. Here is the FOV comparison of the current BMCC vs full frame :

The new 4K BMCC has 21.12 x 11.88mm sensor that is much smaller than the full frame Sony NEX-VG900 and even smaller than the APS-C sensor in the other Sony video camera.

You Tube

RonHendriks1966 · 05-01-2013, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by jogiba

The new 4K BMCC has 21.12 x 11.88mm sensor that is much smaller than the full frame Sony NEX-VG900 and even small than the APS-C sensor in the other Sony video camera.

Funny is that the Pentax K-01 uses about the same sensorsize for video as this camera with a crop off around 1.7x and 21,xxmm wide sensorarea.

P.S. There are some mix-ups in camera's and sensorsizes inhere I think. Well BMCC now has 3 different camera's, with all different sensors and output, so they do serve very different customers.

Anvh · 05-01-2013, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by jogiba

That is a photo of a Sony video camera with APS-C sensor next to the Sony NEX-VG900 with full frame sensor. Here is the FOV comparison of the current BMCC vs full frame :

The new 4K BMCC has 21.12 x 11.88mm sensor that is much smaller than the full frame Sony NEX-VG900 and even small than the APS-C sensor in the other Sony video camera.

Sorry i took the wrong dimensions.

But it's almost fullframe super 35 though

Anvh · 05-01-2013, 09:34 AM

ps. it really is 22.12mm btw

Blackmagic Design: Blackmagic Production Camera 4K Technology

jogiba · 05-01-2013, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Sensor Size 21.12 x 11.88mm (Super 35)

Blackmagic Design Blackmagic Production Camera 4K

I guess someone should tell B&H they have the wrong sensor size.

Update :

Quote:

Camera Features

Effective Sensor Size

21.12mm x 11.88mm (Super 35).

http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicproductioncamera4k/techspecs

jogiba · 05-01-2013, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Funny is that the Pentax K-01 uses about the same sensorsize for video as this camera with a crop off around 1.7x and 21,xxmm wide sensorarea.

P.S. There are some mix-ups in camera's and sensorsizes inhere I think. Well BMCC now has 3 different camera's, with all different sensors and output, so they do serve very different customers.

The K-01 has an APS-C (23.7 x 15.7 mm) sensor so it's about 2.5mm wider than the BMCC 4K camera.

Anvh · 05-01-2013, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by jogiba

Blackmagic Design Blackmagic Production Camera 4K

I guess someone should tell B&H they have the wrong sensor size.

Update :

Blackmagic Design: Blackmagic Production Camera 4K Tech Specs

Haha okay so which one is correct?

As for the K-01 an K30, i believe it crop the sensor when filming although i'm not certain.

04-18-2013, 09:45 AM	#18
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491	Originally posted by Anvh Well a lot has happened. They have brought out a MFT version as well, which seems to be much better suited for the Super16 sensor, now if only the mount was an active one... And over 2 months a fullHD pocket version with active MFT mount is hitting the selves. And 4k version with a super35 (almost FF) sensor and a new shutter. It’s Official: Introducing Blackmagic 4K & Pocket Cinema Cameras for $4K and $1K - nofilmschool NAB Video: Blackmagic 4K and Pocket Cameras - nofilmschool 21.12 x 11.88mm is not almost full frame like my Sony NEX-VG900 that is 35.8 x 23.9mm. Last edited by jogiba; 04-18-2013 at 09:50 AM.

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04-12-2013, 05:22 AM	#16
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Can someone tell more about ProRes? - filesize - editing - quality - power needed in the camera to produce this (It's around 22 MB/s so that about the amount that K-01 can produce, so would this be possible with just as much power as PRIME M?)

04-17-2013, 03:04 AM	#17
paranoia23 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Photos: Albums Posts: 188	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Can someone tell more about ProRes? - filesize - editing - quality - power needed in the camera to produce this (It's around 22 MB/s so that about the amount that K-01 can produce, so would this be possible with just as much power as PRIME M?) wikipedia can

04-24-2013, 09:27 AM	#19
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Anvh But Pentax is not a film company ...except that they are. Pentax medium format film cameras are still in the product line. Medium-Format Cameras : Film Cameras \| PENTAX RICOH IMAGING

05-01-2013, 06:29 AM	#20
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616 Original Poster	That you american use the word video for it is not my problem Film - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

05-01-2013, 06:38 AM	#21
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616 Original Poster	Originally posted by jogiba 21.12 x 11.88mm is not almost full frame like my Sony NEX-VG900 that is 35.8 x 23.9mm. FF means it's full frame. So that it fills the whole size of a standard size. But it's indeed almost 135 format film though BMC 4K is 22.12mm wide while 135 format is 24mm wide so yes, 1,88 mm differnce is called almost

05-01-2013, 06:40 AM	#22
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616 Original Poster	Originally posted by jogiba 21.12 x 11.88mm is not almost full frame like my Sony NEX-VG900 that is 35.8 x 23.9mm. No idea what your photo tries to proof though, they are both. The one on the left is not the BMC 4k

05-01-2013, 09:23 AM	#24
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by jogiba The new 4K BMCC has 21.12 x 11.88mm sensor that is much smaller than the full frame Sony NEX-VG900 and even small than the APS-C sensor in the other Sony video camera. Funny is that the Pentax K-01 uses about the same sensorsize for video as this camera with a crop off around 1.7x and 21,xxmm wide sensorarea. P.S. There are some mix-ups in camera's and sensorsizes inhere I think. Well BMCC now has 3 different camera's, with all different sensors and output, so they do serve very different customers.

05-01-2013, 09:33 AM	#25
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616 Original Poster	Originally posted by jogiba That is a photo of a Sony video camera with APS-C sensor next to the Sony NEX-VG900 with full frame sensor. Here is the FOV comparison of the current BMCC vs full frame : The new 4K BMCC has 21.12 x 11.88mm sensor that is much smaller than the full frame Sony NEX-VG900 and even small than the APS-C sensor in the other Sony video camera. Sorry i took the wrong dimensions. But it's almost fullframe super 35 though

05-01-2013, 09:34 AM	#26
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616 Original Poster	ps. it really is 22.12mm btw Blackmagic Design: Blackmagic Production Camera 4K Technology

05-01-2013, 01:08 PM	#27
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491	Quote: Sensor Size 21.12 x 11.88mm (Super 35) Blackmagic Design Blackmagic Production Camera 4K I guess someone should tell B&H they have the wrong sensor size. Update : Quote: Camera Features Effective Sensor Size 21.12mm x 11.88mm (Super 35). http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicproductioncamera4k/techspecs

05-01-2013, 01:13 PM	#28
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Funny is that the Pentax K-01 uses about the same sensorsize for video as this camera with a crop off around 1.7x and 21,xxmm wide sensorarea. P.S. There are some mix-ups in camera's and sensorsizes inhere I think. Well BMCC now has 3 different camera's, with all different sensors and output, so they do serve very different customers. The K-01 has an APS-C (23.7 x 15.7 mm) sensor so it's about 2.5mm wider than the BMCC 4K camera.

05-01-2013, 06:27 PM	#29
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616 Original Poster	Originally posted by jogiba Blackmagic Design Blackmagic Production Camera 4K I guess someone should tell B&H they have the wrong sensor size. Update : Blackmagic Design: Blackmagic Production Camera 4K Tech Specs Haha okay so which one is correct? As for the K-01 an K30, i believe it crop the sensor when filming although i'm not certain.