Receiving 2nd in line Leica M Monochrom

Medium FormatPro · 08-20-2012, 05:33 AM

A Leica 18mp full frame B&W (only) rangefinder.

Can't wait and really looking forward to this one. The serial will match as being the second consumer camera made for this model number. Unfortunately few will really see the advantages of owning a camera where the sensor is B&W only.

junyo · 08-20-2012, 09:02 AM

Good luck. I find it interesting as a concept, and i'm sure the IQ will be mindblowing, but can't really see the inflexibility of it for the money required, but that's purely personal prospective. That said, I would be very interested in seeing output once you've have a chance to play with it.

eddie1960 · 08-20-2012, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by Medium FormatPro

A Leica 18mp full frame B&W (only) rangefinder.

Can't wait and really looking forward to this one. The serial will match as being the second consumer camera made for this model number. Unfortunately few will really see the advantages of owning a camera where the sensor is B&W only.

If I had the funds this would be at the very top of my list. Really looking forward to seeing the results from it. I'd love to see some more product in b/w only. I could see ricoh doing a GRD in b/w (it already produces excellent b/w). Unfortunately not many will see the advantage as you say (effective higher resolution, better noise characteristics......) I probably convert 50-60% of what I shoot to b/w already, and a rangefinder really suits my shooting style - just not my pocketbook

cali92rs · 08-20-2012, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by Medium FormatPro

A Leica 18mp full frame B&W (only) rangefinder.

Can't wait and really looking forward to this one. The serial will match as being the second consumer camera made for this model number. Unfortunately few will really see the advantages of owning a camera where the sensor is B&W only.

If I had the funds I would be on this like white on rice! I don't, so I will live vicariously thru your photos

Be sure to post plenty

RonHendriks1966 · 08-20-2012, 09:27 AM

Enjoy that nice camera and make a nice story off it for us poor people.

Medium FormatPro · 08-20-2012, 12:06 PM

I've seen some nice used Leica's; some for about 2k; which isn't bad considering how long they last and also the level of the optics. Perhaps someone purchasing one of the Monochrom's just won't like it; or will find some reason to sell it within the first year.

Also if Ricoh, Pentax, or whomever also came out with another version of this (a B&W only camera); I'd also try my best to be first in line to have it. Maybe this is exactly what Pentax needs; either a B&W or a student level all manual camera. If only Pentax could somehow come out with a weatherized all manual camera for about five or six hundred - using the existing 16mp sensor - then targeting it to students and beginners... Pentax could regain it's glory years all over again.

In closing a note about the 18mp full frame sensor in the Leica... Check out the pre-review on B&H... A lot of people (outside of the B&H review) are stating that due to the color factor being taken out of the sensor that the images actually rival most (if not all) medium format. That if Ansel Adams were still alive today; and would "step down" from large format to use such a camera that even he would be quite satisfied of the results. I'll have to rebrush up on my zone system skills. I also fully expect to take many hundreds of pics to be testing this one out - when it comes out quite soon

eddie1960 · 08-20-2012, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by Medium FormatPro

I've seen some nice used Leica's; some for about 2k; which isn't bad considering how long they last and also the level of the optics. Perhaps someone purchasing one of the Monochrom's just won't like it; or will find some reason to sell it within the first year.

Also if Ricoh, Pentax, or whomever also came out with another version of this (a B&W only camera); I'd also try my best to be first in line to have it. Maybe this is exactly what Pentax needs; either a B&W or a student level all manual camera. If only Pentax could somehow come out with a weatherized all manual camera for about five or six hundred - using the existing 16mp sensor - then targeting it to students and beginners... Pentax could regain it's glory years all over again.

In closing a note about the 18mp full frame sensor in the Leica... Check out the pre-review on B&H... A lot of people (outside of the B&H review) are stating that due to the color factor being taken out of the sensor that the images actually rival most (if not all) medium format. That if Ansel Adams were still alive today; and would "step down" from large format to use such a camera that even he would be quite satisfied of the results. I'll have to rebrush up on my zone system skills. I also fully expect to take many hundreds of pics to be testing this one out - when it comes out quite soon

the luminous landscape preview sold me

even if someone doesn't like it and sells a year from now it will be out of my league. the only thing i've seen near 2k is the apsc m8 which has a myriad of issues with CA etc (not even the 8.2 version hits 2k)
best for me to shoot leica as a b/w camera would be an m3 or m6 and shoot film but to be honest i would rather have a zeiss at the price of those.

Clicker · 08-20-2012, 02:12 PM

I wonder what they'll bring to the table with the M10 at Photokina?

Medium FormatPro · 08-20-2012, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by Clicker

I wonder what they'll bring to the table with the M10 at Photokina

The Leica area would probably be my second stop if I went there. I'd also have to ask a few of the people from Leica about (the following)... It is to my understanding that they are working on a new sub f.1.0 lens - perhaps two of them. Unfortunately the existing 50mm f.o.95 goes for about 11k in the states. But for Leica (and for me) it's always ben more about the optics versus any seconday consideration - even the camera bodies.

Btw for anyone going to the show; I'm also wondering what type of access the weill have to the Monochrom. By then I'll already have had mine for a few weeks. But I'm wondering if they'll let everyone have access to what will be a very limited run camera. Better than the camera itself - the results.

As for the Leica pricing... That's soething that I've always been against. For not much more than the Monochrom one is also at... The same exact level as the flagship Nikon and Canon models - darn even near the Pentax medium format and a few of the other medium formats. But if one does get lucky; it is worth the waiting game to see if one can find one somewhere for about the eventual 2k price. I've seen a few people get lucky on that one. That's how I also got one of my first cameras; a Hasselblad 2000 f/c with three lens; for not much more than 1k - back in the 80's at an estate sale.

eddie1960 · 08-21-2012, 05:38 AM

that was a major estate sale score. I remember pricing on those and a grand was an absolute steal for a 3 lens set up (heck you could probably sell it for a grand or more still)

I think the first 2 stops for me would be leica and hassleblad because both have some very interesting product rumoured.

I saw a 50 0.95 go for 14 grand on ebay BTW. yep 11 grand is retail but because the wait list is so long many people seem to bid it up astronomically to get it right away. personally i'd live with a 1.4 while i waited

wombat2go · 08-21-2012, 05:40 PM

I was reading about M9 today and noted it has ccd sensor.
Why?
I ask because I still have ist ds with 6 MP ccd and in its ideal iso range 200~400 I think the srgb images are better color fidelity than my much newer M43 with 12 MP cmos.
I am not sure if this is sensor hardware or optics or that the newer camera has some image pre-processing in it. ??

08-20-2012, 05:33 AM	#1
Medium FormatPro Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Charleston & Pittsburgh Photos: Albums Posts: 1,668	Receiving 2nd in line Leica M Monochrom A Leica 18mp full frame B&W (only) rangefinder. Can't wait and really looking forward to this one. The serial will match as being the second consumer camera made for this model number. Unfortunately few will really see the advantages of owning a camera where the sensor is B&W only.

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08-20-2012, 09:02 AM	#2
junyo Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 418	Good luck. I find it interesting as a concept, and i'm sure the IQ will be mindblowing, but can't really see the inflexibility of it for the money required, but that's purely personal prospective. That said, I would be very interested in seeing output once you've have a chance to play with it.

08-20-2012, 09:10 AM	#3
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by Medium FormatPro A Leica 18mp full frame B&W (only) rangefinder. Can't wait and really looking forward to this one. The serial will match as being the second consumer camera made for this model number. Unfortunately few will really see the advantages of owning a camera where the sensor is B&W only. If I had the funds this would be at the very top of my list. Really looking forward to seeing the results from it. I'd love to see some more product in b/w only. I could see ricoh doing a GRD in b/w (it already produces excellent b/w). Unfortunately not many will see the advantage as you say (effective higher resolution, better noise characteristics......) I probably convert 50-60% of what I shoot to b/w already, and a rangefinder really suits my shooting style - just not my pocketbook

08-20-2012, 09:15 AM	#4
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	Originally posted by Medium FormatPro A Leica 18mp full frame B&W (only) rangefinder. Can't wait and really looking forward to this one. The serial will match as being the second consumer camera made for this model number. Unfortunately few will really see the advantages of owning a camera where the sensor is B&W only. If I had the funds I would be on this like white on rice! I don't, so I will live vicariously thru your photos Be sure to post plenty

08-20-2012, 09:27 AM	#5
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Enjoy that nice camera and make a nice story off it for us poor people.

08-20-2012, 12:06 PM	#6
Medium FormatPro Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Charleston & Pittsburgh Photos: Albums Posts: 1,668 Original Poster	I've seen some nice used Leica's; some for about 2k; which isn't bad considering how long they last and also the level of the optics. Perhaps someone purchasing one of the Monochrom's just won't like it; or will find some reason to sell it within the first year. Also if Ricoh, Pentax, or whomever also came out with another version of this (a B&W only camera); I'd also try my best to be first in line to have it. Maybe this is exactly what Pentax needs; either a B&W or a student level all manual camera. If only Pentax could somehow come out with a weatherized all manual camera for about five or six hundred - using the existing 16mp sensor - then targeting it to students and beginners... Pentax could regain it's glory years all over again. In closing a note about the 18mp full frame sensor in the Leica... Check out the pre-review on B&H... A lot of people (outside of the B&H review) are stating that due to the color factor being taken out of the sensor that the images actually rival most (if not all) medium format. That if Ansel Adams were still alive today; and would "step down" from large format to use such a camera that even he would be quite satisfied of the results. I'll have to rebrush up on my zone system skills. I also fully expect to take many hundreds of pics to be testing this one out - when it comes out quite soon

08-20-2012, 12:24 PM	#7
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by Medium FormatPro I've seen some nice used Leica's; some for about 2k; which isn't bad considering how long they last and also the level of the optics. Perhaps someone purchasing one of the Monochrom's just won't like it; or will find some reason to sell it within the first year. Also if Ricoh, Pentax, or whomever also came out with another version of this (a B&W only camera); I'd also try my best to be first in line to have it. Maybe this is exactly what Pentax needs; either a B&W or a student level all manual camera. If only Pentax could somehow come out with a weatherized all manual camera for about five or six hundred - using the existing 16mp sensor - then targeting it to students and beginners... Pentax could regain it's glory years all over again. In closing a note about the 18mp full frame sensor in the Leica... Check out the pre-review on B&H... A lot of people (outside of the B&H review) are stating that due to the color factor being taken out of the sensor that the images actually rival most (if not all) medium format. That if Ansel Adams were still alive today; and would "step down" from large format to use such a camera that even he would be quite satisfied of the results. I'll have to rebrush up on my zone system skills. I also fully expect to take many hundreds of pics to be testing this one out - when it comes out quite soon the luminous landscape preview sold me even if someone doesn't like it and sells a year from now it will be out of my league. the only thing i've seen near 2k is the apsc m8 which has a myriad of issues with CA etc (not even the 8.2 version hits 2k) best for me to shoot leica as a b/w camera would be an m3 or m6 and shoot film but to be honest i would rather have a zeiss at the price of those.

08-20-2012, 02:12 PM	#8
Clicker Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,241	I wonder what they'll bring to the table with the M10 at Photokina?

08-20-2012, 09:42 PM	#9
Medium FormatPro Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Charleston & Pittsburgh Photos: Albums Posts: 1,668 Original Poster	Originally posted by Clicker I wonder what they'll bring to the table with the M10 at Photokina The Leica area would probably be my second stop if I went there. I'd also have to ask a few of the people from Leica about (the following)... It is to my understanding that they are working on a new sub f.1.0 lens - perhaps two of them. Unfortunately the existing 50mm f.o.95 goes for about 11k in the states. But for Leica (and for me) it's always ben more about the optics versus any seconday consideration - even the camera bodies. Btw for anyone going to the show; I'm also wondering what type of access the weill have to the Monochrom. By then I'll already have had mine for a few weeks. But I'm wondering if they'll let everyone have access to what will be a very limited run camera. Better than the camera itself - the results. As for the Leica pricing... That's soething that I've always been against. For not much more than the Monochrom one is also at... The same exact level as the flagship Nikon and Canon models - darn even near the Pentax medium format and a few of the other medium formats. But if one does get lucky; it is worth the waiting game to see if one can find one somewhere for about the eventual 2k price. I've seen a few people get lucky on that one. That's how I also got one of my first cameras; a Hasselblad 2000 f/c with three lens; for not much more than 1k - back in the 80's at an estate sale.

08-21-2012, 05:38 AM	#10
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	that was a major estate sale score. I remember pricing on those and a grand was an absolute steal for a 3 lens set up (heck you could probably sell it for a grand or more still) I think the first 2 stops for me would be leica and hassleblad because both have some very interesting product rumoured. I saw a 50 0.95 go for 14 grand on ebay BTW. yep 11 grand is retail but because the wait list is so long many people seem to bid it up astronomically to get it right away. personally i'd live with a 1.4 while i waited

08-21-2012, 05:40 PM	#11
wombat2go Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Michigan Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,207	I was reading about M9 today and noted it has ccd sensor. Why? I ask because I still have ist ds with 6 MP ccd and in its ideal iso range 200~400 I think the srgb images are better color fidelity than my much newer M43 with 12 MP cmos. I am not sure if this is sensor hardware or optics or that the newer camera has some image pre-processing in it. ??