Fujifilm X-E1, the little brother of X-Pro1

twilight_samurai · 09-06-2012, 12:10 AM

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pinholecam · 09-06-2012, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by tuco

It looks to be improved. I for one wouldn't mind a better EVF. But really I don't see what the big deal is. You don't need to read a newspaper with it. The old one doesn't stop you from seeing the composition or taking the photo. Frankly I really never notice the quality of the EVF when I'm taking a shot. But that's me. And you really don't need to chimp through the EVF either, IMHO.

+1 to this (up to a point anyway...

)
An EVF with better resolution can be better for manual focus.
Better refresh rates mean less real world to EVF lag, esp. for moving subjects.

Man! this camera is way cool looking.
In a way I want it to have faster AF and better EVF so that I can buy one.
On the other hand, I wish it won't, so I can concentrate my money on the upcoming Pentax stuff

pingflood · 09-06-2012, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by tuco

It looks to be improved. I for one wouldn't mind a better EVF. But really I don't see what the big deal is. You don't need to read a newspaper with it. The old one doesn't stop you from seeing the composition or taking the photo. Frankly I really never notice the quality of the EVF when I'm taking a shot. But that's me. And you really don't need to chimp through the EVF either, IMHO.

Well, the old one was lagging and did not show shadow/highlight detail particularly well. One of the nice features of an EVF is WYSIWYG which you get with e.g. the OM-D (where you truly see what you will capture). The EVF in the X100 was fine to compose on, but it is nice being able to clearly tell how shadows and highlights will be recorded as well.

Also, with a nicer EVF you can really see the scene, not just an abstraction of it...

vrrattko · 09-06-2012, 03:47 AM

Those Fuji cameras are uber-nice. They would really piss me off if they ever release K-mount adapter

))

goldpopper · 09-06-2012, 04:50 AM

I have heard that pentax lenses work well on the x-pro. Not sure which adaptor was used.

junyo · 09-06-2012, 04:53 AM

Originally posted by vrrattko

Those Fuji cameras are uber-nice. They would really piss me off if they ever release K-mount adapter

))

K mount adapters were available a couple weeks after the camera was. The advantage of the short registration mount.

With the 8mm Samyang for K mount and a Kipon adapter

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/non-pentax-cameras-canon-nikon-etc/166455...ml#post1931115

philbaum · 09-06-2012, 11:00 AM

I think Fuji hit it out of the park on this one. Here's the summary and preview link from dpreview:

16MP X-Trans CMOS sensor
ISO 200-6400, 100 - 25600 expanded (JPEG only)
2.36M dot OLED electronic viewfinder
Same control layout as X-Pro1, including top-plate shutter speed and exposure compensation dials
2.8" 460k dot LCD
Built-in pop-up flash
Full HD movie recording with built-in stereo microphone
2.5mm stereo microphone socket, compatibility with wired remote control units (via USB port)
Available in silver or black

Fujifilm X-E1 hands-on preview: Digital Photography Review

I like an awful lot about this camera. They even have a cable shutter capability via the USB port.

The major thing i don't like - see above on the 100-25600 expanded is limited to Jpeg only. What's that all about. Is that because some of the software out there will not work with the non-Bayer 6x6 photosite design? I don't know but that seems strange to me. jpegs just don't respond to pp like RAW do and i like tweaking my photos - sometimes a lot.

This camera is why I would prefer that Pentax develop a smaller mount design - not as small as the Q, but smaller than the K.

I think Fuji is going to do really well with this camera - excellent design with that one quirk on the ISO expanded range.

Price with the new 18-55 zoom, ois, is $1399. This is a contradiction to the folks that say you can't sell an APS camera in that range, anymore. Hmmm...

tuco · 09-06-2012, 11:43 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by philbaum

I think Fuji hit it out of the park on this one. Here's the summary and preview link from dpreview:

16MP X-Trans CMOS sensor

As a XP1 owner and one who does not do JPEGs, I feel Fuji is making a big mistake with that filter on the senor, again! It really sucks when the white logo on a persons colored shirt is all full of color bleeding. And the same goes for foliage and color bleeding.

You need to use more than one RAW editor depending on the shot. How convenient is that? Not until you can use the RAW editor of your choice without artifacts will this X-Trans crap be ready for prime time.

Alizarine · 09-06-2012, 07:52 PM

Wow... Fuiji's really shifted to the X-series. And the developments look really nice, the XE1makes the X100 seem like a long time ago..

philbaum · 09-06-2012, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by tuco

As a XP1 owner and one who does not do JPEGs, I feel Fuji is making a big mistake with that filter on the senor, again! It really sucks when the white logo on a persons colored shirt is all full of color bleeding. And the same goes for foliage and color bleeding.

You need to use more than one RAW editor depending on the shot. How convenient is that? Not until you can use the RAW editor of your choice without artifacts will this X-Trans crap be ready for prime time.

Tuco, i hope they fixed this problem on the XE1. Its hard for me to believe that they would repeat his problem on another model without fixing it. And I hope its something they can backfit on firmware or software.

tuco · 09-06-2012, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by philbaum

Tuco, i hope they fixed this problem on the XE1. Its hard for me to believe that they would repeat his problem on another model without fixing it. And I hope its something they can backfit on firmware or software.

No firmware can fix it. The problem is the complicated process of demosaicing the X-Trans sensor. And apparently Adobe does not want to spend anymore money on it just yet trying to get it right.

hcarvalhoalves · 09-07-2012, 07:03 PM

Can anyone explain what this X-Trans sensor is, or why is it different?

junyo · 09-07-2012, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by hcarvalhoalves

Can anyone explain what this X-Trans sensor is, or why is it different?

X-Trans CMOS | FUJIFILM X-Pro1

Because it's not a Bayer filter, for which demosiacing algorithms are well developed, RAW processing has proved to be a bit of an issue. Adobe's engine doesn't really process X-Pro RAW files that well. Others have varying degrees of success, but a lot of programmers are finding it difficult to code for the new sensor.

tuco · 09-07-2012, 07:49 PM

Lightroom will process these files really well most of the time it seems. And do it better than Silkypix (editor that comes with the camera) for the ones it does I have found.

MSM · 09-07-2012, 09:05 PM

A question for those that have shot with the XPro1 and the K5. How does the image quality compare? I know it is difficult as you have two different lenses and processors. I guess that I remember the bold claims that the Trans processor would truly rival FF sensors. I honestly stopped following the discussions when I realized that financially the XPro1 was not happening for me. I gathered that the images were good but not as they were touted initially. Is that fair to say? I ask because the XE-1 is more in my price range. While I am at it, how about the quality of the lenses both in feel/construction and IQ? I don't know about the focus by wire type lenses. Perhaps it is not a big deal at all. I still love my limiteds though.

09-06-2012, 11:00 AM	#37
philbaum Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Port Townsend, Washington State, USA Posts: 3,659	This is what the K01 should morph into I think Fuji hit it out of the park on this one. Here's the summary and preview link from dpreview: 16MP X-Trans CMOS sensor ISO 200-6400, 100 - 25600 expanded (JPEG only) 2.36M dot OLED electronic viewfinder Same control layout as X-Pro1, including top-plate shutter speed and exposure compensation dials 2.8" 460k dot LCD Built-in pop-up flash Full HD movie recording with built-in stereo microphone 2.5mm stereo microphone socket, compatibility with wired remote control units (via USB port) Available in silver or black Fujifilm X-E1 hands-on preview: Digital Photography Review I like an awful lot about this camera. They even have a cable shutter capability via the USB port. The major thing i don't like - see above on the 100-25600 expanded is limited to Jpeg only. What's that all about. Is that because some of the software out there will not work with the non-Bayer 6x6 photosite design? I don't know but that seems strange to me. jpegs just don't respond to pp like RAW do and i like tweaking my photos - sometimes a lot. This camera is why I would prefer that Pentax develop a smaller mount design - not as small as the Q, but smaller than the K. I think Fuji is going to do really well with this camera - excellent design with that one quirk on the ISO expanded range. Price with the new 18-55 zoom, ois, is $1399. This is a contradiction to the folks that say you can't sell an APS camera in that range, anymore. Hmmm...

09-06-2012, 11:43 AM - 1 Like	#38
tuco Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pugetopolis Posts: 11,029	Originally posted by philbaum I think Fuji hit it out of the park on this one. Here's the summary and preview link from dpreview: 16MP X-Trans CMOS sensor As a XP1 owner and one who does not do JPEGs, I feel Fuji is making a big mistake with that filter on the senor, again! It really sucks when the white logo on a persons colored shirt is all full of color bleeding. And the same goes for foliage and color bleeding. You need to use more than one RAW editor depending on the shot. How convenient is that? Not until you can use the RAW editor of your choice without artifacts will this X-Trans crap be ready for prime time. Last edited by tuco; 09-06-2012 at 11:50 AM.

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09-06-2012, 12:27 AM	#32
pinholecam Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,709	Originally posted by tuco It looks to be improved. I for one wouldn't mind a better EVF. But really I don't see what the big deal is. You don't need to read a newspaper with it. The old one doesn't stop you from seeing the composition or taking the photo. Frankly I really never notice the quality of the EVF when I'm taking a shot. But that's me. And you really don't need to chimp through the EVF either, IMHO. +1 to this (up to a point anyway... ) An EVF with better resolution can be better for manual focus. Better refresh rates mean less real world to EVF lag, esp. for moving subjects. Man! this camera is way cool looking. In a way I want it to have faster AF and better EVF so that I can buy one. On the other hand, I wish it won't, so I can concentrate my money on the upcoming Pentax stuff

09-06-2012, 01:54 AM	#33
pingflood Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Borås, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,169	Originally posted by tuco It looks to be improved. I for one wouldn't mind a better EVF. But really I don't see what the big deal is. You don't need to read a newspaper with it. The old one doesn't stop you from seeing the composition or taking the photo. Frankly I really never notice the quality of the EVF when I'm taking a shot. But that's me. And you really don't need to chimp through the EVF either, IMHO. Well, the old one was lagging and did not show shadow/highlight detail particularly well. One of the nice features of an EVF is WYSIWYG which you get with e.g. the OM-D (where you truly see what you will capture). The EVF in the X100 was fine to compose on, but it is nice being able to clearly tell how shadows and highlights will be recorded as well. Also, with a nicer EVF you can really see the scene, not just an abstraction of it...

09-06-2012, 03:47 AM	#34
vrrattko Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Photos: Albums Posts: 753	Those Fuji cameras are uber-nice. They would really piss me off if they ever release K-mount adapter ))

09-06-2012, 04:50 AM	#35
goldpopper Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: sydney Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 73	I have heard that pentax lenses work well on the x-pro. Not sure which adaptor was used.

09-06-2012, 04:53 AM	#36
junyo Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 418	Originally posted by vrrattko Those Fuji cameras are uber-nice. They would really piss me off if they ever release K-mount adapter )) K mount adapters were available a couple weeks after the camera was. The advantage of the short registration mount. With the 8mm Samyang for K mount and a Kipon adapter https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/non-pentax-cameras-canon-nikon-etc/166455...ml#post1931115

09-06-2012, 07:52 PM	#39
Alizarine Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Manila Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,185	Wow... Fuiji's really shifted to the X-series. And the developments look really nice, the XE1makes the X100 seem like a long time ago..

09-06-2012, 09:35 PM	#40
philbaum Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Port Townsend, Washington State, USA Posts: 3,659	Originally posted by tuco As a XP1 owner and one who does not do JPEGs, I feel Fuji is making a big mistake with that filter on the senor, again! It really sucks when the white logo on a persons colored shirt is all full of color bleeding. And the same goes for foliage and color bleeding. You need to use more than one RAW editor depending on the shot. How convenient is that? Not until you can use the RAW editor of your choice without artifacts will this X-Trans crap be ready for prime time. Tuco, i hope they fixed this problem on the XE1. Its hard for me to believe that they would repeat his problem on another model without fixing it. And I hope its something they can backfit on firmware or software.

09-06-2012, 09:59 PM	#41
tuco Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pugetopolis Posts: 11,029	Originally posted by philbaum Tuco, i hope they fixed this problem on the XE1. Its hard for me to believe that they would repeat his problem on another model without fixing it. And I hope its something they can backfit on firmware or software. No firmware can fix it. The problem is the complicated process of demosaicing the X-Trans sensor. And apparently Adobe does not want to spend anymore money on it just yet trying to get it right.

09-07-2012, 07:03 PM	#42
hcarvalhoalves Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: São Paulo, Brazil Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,019	Can anyone explain what this X-Trans sensor is, or why is it different?

09-07-2012, 07:29 PM	#43
junyo Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 418	Originally posted by hcarvalhoalves Can anyone explain what this X-Trans sensor is, or why is it different? X-Trans CMOS \| FUJIFILM X-Pro1 Because it's not a Bayer filter, for which demosiacing algorithms are well developed, RAW processing has proved to be a bit of an issue. Adobe's engine doesn't really process X-Pro RAW files that well. Others have varying degrees of success, but a lot of programmers are finding it difficult to code for the new sensor.

09-07-2012, 07:49 PM	#44
tuco Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pugetopolis Posts: 11,029	Lightroom will process these files really well most of the time it seems. And do it better than Silkypix (editor that comes with the camera) for the ones it does I have found.

09-07-2012, 09:05 PM	#45
MSM Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Alabama Photos: Gallery Posts: 994	A question for those that have shot with the XPro1 and the K5. How does the image quality compare? I know it is difficult as you have two different lenses and processors. I guess that I remember the bold claims that the Trans processor would truly rival FF sensors. I honestly stopped following the discussions when I realized that financially the XPro1 was not happening for me. I gathered that the images were good but not as they were touted initially. Is that fair to say? I ask because the XE-1 is more in my price range. While I am at it, how about the quality of the lenses both in feel/construction and IQ? I don't know about the focus by wire type lenses. Perhaps it is not a big deal at all. I still love my limiteds though.