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08-30-2012, 10:41 AM   #16
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.....i agree Lamy! I just take it for a modern standard these days, when it probably isn't

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QuoteOriginally posted by the swede Quote
.....i agree Lamy! I just take it for a modern standard these days, when it probably isn't
Well the entry Nikon D40 had 1/4000 shutter speed..........2006 era
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Looks VERY interesting. But I'm afraid $1500 is too optimistic. My guess is $2200 MSRP, $2000 street.
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.....i agree Lamy! I just take it for a modern standard these days, when it probably isn't
Well, look at how many cycles an entry level or mid range shutter can do, compared to top of the line shutters .

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QuoteOriginally posted by LamyTax Quote
Well, look at how many cycles an entry level or mid range shutter can do, compared to top of the line shutters .
Pentax K5 - min. 100,000
Nikon D800 - min 200,000, means the price per shot just halved !
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QuoteOriginally posted by Frogfish Quote
Pentax K5 - min. 100,000
Nikon D800 - min 200,000, means the price per shot just halved !
That's neither mid range nor entry level, and both do 1/8000.

But now, for the 1100D...
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QuoteOriginally posted by LamyTax Quote
That's neither mid range nor entry level, and both do 1/8000.

But now, for the 1100D...
You said mid-range (K5) vs top line (D800), and that's what you got.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Frogfish Quote
Pentax K5 - min. 100,000
Nikon D800 - min 200,000, means the price per shot just halved !
Only if you make 200k shots


I made 230k pictures with my K-5's! So it would be great for me.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Frogfish Quote
You said mid-range (K5) vs top line (D800), and that's what you got.
The K5 is not mid-range. Neither would be a D7000. Maybe a 60D, but that's borderline.
Mid-range is one level up from the entry level.
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QuoteOriginally posted by LamyTax Quote
The K5 is not mid-range. Neither would be a D7000. Maybe a 60D, but that's borderline.
Mid-range is one level up from the entry level.
And ?

Kr then K5 was the Pentax range (beginner, mid-range and no top-line DSLR), and don't tell me the K5 is a top-line, that is/was cameras such as 5DII / D700 etc. or D800 / 5DIII / D4 and so on now. Or are you now going to introduce another level that you didn't mention before
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QuoteOriginally posted by Frogfish Quote
And ?

Kr then K5 was the Pentax range (beginner, mid-range and no top-line DSLR), and don't tell me the K5 is a top-line, that is/was cameras such as 5DII / D700 etc. or D800 / 5DIII / D4 and so on now. Or are you now going to introduce another level that you didn't mention before
What are you trying to tell me? That a shutter in a 600D or 1100D is no different from a 7D or even 1Dx (it's not, that's my point)?

I did not come up with these level definitions, but who cares, right?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Frogfish Quote
And ?

Kr then K5 was the Pentax range (beginner, mid-range and no top-line DSLR), and don't tell me the K5 is a top-line, that is/was cameras such as 5DII / D700 etc. or D800 / 5DIII / D4 and so on now. Or are you now going to introduce another level that you didn't mention before
Erf - not invested in the argument but:

Entry level = k-x, k-r, Rebel T3, Nikon D3100
Midrange = Rebel T3i, Nikon D5100
Semi-pro = D7000, 7D, k-5
Pro = full frames (or at least until this D600 comes out).

Regardless - I believe the minimum rating is 100k, and tihs is true for entry level as well. It's a standardized number based on conservative estimates. Professional cameras have higher shutter counts, but that's a different story. AFAIK, all cameras below pro levels are 100k shutter ratings.
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QuoteOriginally posted by LamyTax Quote
What are you trying to tell me? That a shutter in a 600D or 1100D is no different from a 7D or even 1Dx (it's not, that's my point)?

I did not come up with these level definitions, but who cares, right?
You said the K5 is not a mid-level camera. It is, and you're deceiving yourself trying to convince yourself it's something more (no matter how good the K5 actually performs). In fact the shutter life alone tells you it is.
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QuoteOriginally posted by JinDesu Quote
Erf - not invested in the argument but:

Entry level = k-x, k-r, Rebel T3, Nikon D3100
Midrange = Rebel T3i, Nikon D5100
Semi-pro = D7000, 7D, k-5
Pro = full frames (or at least until this D600 comes out).

Regardless - I believe the minimum rating is 100k, and tihs is true for entry level as well. It's a standardized number based on conservative estimates. Professional cameras have higher shutter counts, but that's a different story. AFAIK, all cameras below pro levels are 100k shutter ratings.
There is no semi-pro definition for a camera - that's something that's been developed on forums like PF to pigeon-hole the K5/7D/D7k etc.. Any camera can be, and is, used for pro work (plenty of people using the Kx/Kr etc.). No manufacturer markets their cameras as semi-pro. Just because Nikon/Canon have a wider range of cameras which introduce different features at different price-levels, doesn't make the K5 a top-line camera (I know you are not saying that) because it's better than some of them. Some magazines categorise the K5 with the 5100 !!

Yes, the K5 is 100k, the 5DII is 150k and the D800/D4 is 200k.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Frogfish Quote
There is no semi-pro definition for a camera - that's something that's been developed on forums like PF to pigeon-hole the K5/7D/D7k etc.. Any camera can be, and is, used for pro work (plenty of people using the Kx/Kr etc.). No manufacturer markets their cameras as semi-pro. Just because Nikon/Canon have a wider range of cameras which introduce different features at different price-levels, doesn't make the K5 a top-line camera (I know you are not saying that) because it's better than some of them. Some magazines categorise the K5 with the 5100 !!

Yes, the K5 is 100k, the 5DII is 150k and the D800/D4 is 200k.
That's fine - call it whatever you want (i like semi-pro, because when I get that camera, i'll be a semi-pro!)

However, price levels and features - the k-5 matches the D7000 and the 7D on most fronts. Price, 1.5k MSRP, give or take. Features, pretty much the same. The k-r/k-x matched the going equivalent of the entry levels of that time also, in price and features.

Of course, I don't consider the k-5 (or the D7000 or the 7D) to be a top of the line camera. And your discussion with LamyTax became little bit silly, in my opinion, because it's become a argument over a minor point (midlevel vs entry vs whatever the k-5 is).

Again - my understanding is that all the shutters are rated at 100k minimum, and only the top level pro (full frame) cameras are rated at something else (higher). I don't believe there are cameras rated less than 100k. I don't think it's such a big deal for the D600 to be rated at 100k - although if Nikon had a APS-C camera with more than 100k actuations rating, then it would have been a stupid decision. As of right now, it's still an upgrade from APS-C cameras in other ways.

The K-30 really breaks some serious ground, being priced at the D5100(D5200) and the T4i level, but putting out features that surpass the D5100(but maybe D5200 will compare) and the T4i. I hope that the k-3 does something similar.

For what it's worth, Wiki puts the 7D into the Prosumer Range (above midrange), while they put the D7000 into the Midrange (above Consumer range). And they don't give the k-5 a defintion
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