Nikon D600 now #1 on Day 1 at Amazon US

Samsungian · 09-17-2012, 08:34 AM

Wow, Nikon D600 sits at #1 on Amazon USA on its first day !

Maybe this will make Canon notice ?

My favorite spec D600 offers that no Canon offers is f8 autofocus, second favorite is built in flash on full frame platform.

Amazon Best Sellers: best Digital SLR Cameras

normhead · 09-17-2012, 09:03 AM

We went through the same kind of thing with the D800. I'm not really sure of the relevance, or of why Canon needs to take notice. Nikon sells a lot of cameras... we all know that. DO we even know what tracking from Amazon means? What kind of camera buyer buys stuff from Amazon? Of what relevance is that to the overall market? If my local drug store sells more Dentine than Juicy Fruit, is that cause for thought? Just wondering where you're going with this.

Blue · 09-17-2012, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by normhead

We went through the same kind of thing with the D800. I'm not really sure of the relevance, or of why Canon needs to take notice. Nikon sells a lot of cameras... we all know that. DO we even know what tracking from Amazon means? What kind of camera buyer buys stuff from Amazon? Of what relevance is that to the overall market? If my local drug store sells more Dentine than Juicy Fruit, is that cause for thought? Just wondering where you're going with this.

If you are Dentine and Juicy Fruit, it should be thought for their respective product development and marketing people.

normhead · 09-17-2012, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by Blue

If you are Dentine and Juicy Fruit, it should be thought for their respective product development and marketing people.

So you're saying this is a post directed to the Canon marketing department... my mistake, I thought being a public forum not a corporate office it might have some relevance to me.

Samsungian · 09-17-2012, 09:41 AM

I've got one foot firmly planted in Canon Camp, other firmly planted in Nikon System.
Still have Pentax gear waiting for 24x36 solution for all the Pentax glass I've acquired past 10 years.
I'm not the only one waiting...

I wish Canon offered more in 2012 but they are #1, they think they don't have to.
Nikon does offer more bang for buck cause they are #2.

Still having Pentax gear in my kit keeps me watchin and wondering how long it will take Ricoh to make any full frame K Mount ? I'd like to see how my Pentax lenses made for full frame hold up on Pentax full frame Dslr.

Originally posted by normhead

We went through the same kind of thing with the D800. I'm not really sure of the relevance, or of why Canon needs to take notice. Nikon sells a lot of cameras... we all know that. DO we even know what tracking from Amazon means? What kind of camera buyer buys stuff from Amazon? Of what relevance is that to the overall market? If my local drug store sells more Dentine than Juicy Fruit, is that cause for thought? Just wondering where you're going with this.

Blue · 09-17-2012, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by normhead

So you're saying this is a post directed to the Canon marketing department... my mistake, I thought being a public forum not a corporate office it might have some relevance to me.

We weren't talking about the post but the sales ranking and you know it. Nice try at the old Texas side step though.

This is what I suggested that they would be looking at:

Amazon Best Sellers: best Digital SLR Cameras

Besides, why would a Dentine or Juicy Fruit R&D or marketing team be reading posts in this sub-forum at PF?

sarcasm

normhead · 09-17-2012, 10:34 AM

Pentax K-5 #44, wooooo hooooo.. Man those Canon guys sell a lot of cameras. I notice the Canon EOS 5D Mk II is hanging in at #12, and is now the cheapest FF body by about $300... , I think the Canon marketing people might be watching.

jsherman999 · 09-17-2012, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by normhead

So you're saying this is a post directed to the Canon marketing department... my mistake, I thought being a public forum not a corporate office it might have some relevance to me.

Norm, you are continually wandering in to the non-Pentax subforum and asking why people are talking about non-Pentax cameras in here. What's up with that?

normhead · 09-17-2012, 11:57 AM

jsherman you are constantly wandering into whatever forums and misrepresenting what I say... what's up with that?

Even if it was about Pentax I would have questioned if that stat had any meaning to anyone.... our previous history is affecting your current judgement.

Or is Amazon the latest and greatest interpreter of what's good in the world, and I missed the memo?

Blue · 09-17-2012, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by normhead

jsherman you are constantly wandering into whatever forums and misrepresenting what I say... what's up with that?

Even if it was about Pentax I would have questioned if that stat had any meaning to anyone.... our previous history is affecting your current judgement.

Or is Amazon the latest and greatest interpreter of what's good in the world, and I missed the memo?

Its just one data set for sales across brands. If I were a marketing guy, it would certainly interest me along with many other data sets.

normhead · 09-17-2012, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Its just one data set for sales across brands. If I were a marketing guy, it would certainly interest me along with many other data sets.

Yes well the in this case having a handle on some of the other data sets might prevent one from bandering about skewed information, unless one doesn't care whether one's information is skewed.

But maybe you're right, if you started with nada, getting one piece of the puzzle is probably huge...

But really, now that the 5d Mk II is like $1900, and the cheapest as far as I know FF... what's it like, and can you get a Canon to K-mount adapter for it? Anyone know?

Blue · 09-17-2012, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by normhead

Yes well the in this case having a handle on some of the other data sets might prevent one from bandering about skewed information, unless one doesn't care whether one's information is skewed.

But maybe you're right, if you started with nada, getting one piece of the puzzle is probably huge...

But really, now that the 5d Mk II is like $1900, and the cheapest as far as I know FF... what's it like, and can you get a Canon to K-mount adapter for it? Anyone know?

The Canon marketing guys would know how long the MK II has been on the market and how many new units are likely still in the distribution network. Plus, no one was talking about using a single source or skewed data. A good marketing group would know that.

Canon and Nikon are in a different situation. From a Pentax context, looking at Amazon, BH, Adorama, and Pentax Imaging would give a good snap shot of the U.S. sales. The trick is to find out how much they could have handled relative to production and distribution.

normhead · 09-17-2012, 12:27 PM

Quote:

From a Pentax context, looking at Amazon, BH, Adorama, and Pentax Imaging would give a good snap shot of the U.S. sales. The trick is to find out how much they could have handled relative to production and distribution.

A Pentax guy would know what their capacity was, how close to capacity they operated, how many units they sold each month and whether that was increasing or decreasing. I find it hard to believe how many were sold on Amazon would play much part in their thinking. That would seem like pretty peripheral information, unless a baseline had already been established to be able to interpret the whole market from one indicator, and Amazon was chosen as that indicator.

Blue · 09-17-2012, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by normhead

A Pentax guy would know what their capacity was, how close to capacity they operated, how many units they sold each month and whether that was increasing or decreasing. I find it hard to believe how many were sold on Amazon would play much part in their thinking. That would seem like pretty peripheral information, unless a baseline had already been established to be able to interpret the whole market from one indicator, and Amazon was chosen as that indicator.

So you are back to that one indicator thing again. So you propose that Pentax just make some lenses send them to Colorado and not track the distribution channels. Unbelievable. Wait, have you been working out in Golden and Denver?

sarcasm

normhead · 09-17-2012, 05:14 PM

So you're saying every marketing department tracks every item of every sale for everyone who sells their product? You're too funny. I get a kick out of people who talk thorough their hats and then try and make it sound like they know something by ridiculing their opponent.

Quote:

Unbelievable. Wait, have you been working out in Golden and Denver?

Ya, pretty much your only way to get any cred I guess.

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09-17-2012, 08:34 AM	#1
Samsungian Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Colorado USA Posts: 1,337	Nikon D600 now #1 on Day 1 at Amazon US Wow, Nikon D600 sits at #1 on Amazon USA on its first day ! Maybe this will make Canon notice ? My favorite spec D600 offers that no Canon offers is f8 autofocus, second favorite is built in flash on full frame platform. Amazon Best Sellers: best Digital SLR Cameras

09-17-2012, 09:03 AM	#2
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,450	We went through the same kind of thing with the D800. I'm not really sure of the relevance, or of why Canon needs to take notice. Nikon sells a lot of cameras... we all know that. DO we even know what tracking from Amazon means? What kind of camera buyer buys stuff from Amazon? Of what relevance is that to the overall market? If my local drug store sells more Dentine than Juicy Fruit, is that cause for thought? Just wondering where you're going with this.

09-17-2012, 09:07 AM	#3
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by normhead We went through the same kind of thing with the D800. I'm not really sure of the relevance, or of why Canon needs to take notice. Nikon sells a lot of cameras... we all know that. DO we even know what tracking from Amazon means? What kind of camera buyer buys stuff from Amazon? Of what relevance is that to the overall market? If my local drug store sells more Dentine than Juicy Fruit, is that cause for thought? Just wondering where you're going with this. If you are Dentine and Juicy Fruit, it should be thought for their respective product development and marketing people.

09-17-2012, 09:14 AM	#4
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,450	Originally posted by Blue If you are Dentine and Juicy Fruit, it should be thought for their respective product development and marketing people. So you're saying this is a post directed to the Canon marketing department... my mistake, I thought being a public forum not a corporate office it might have some relevance to me.

09-17-2012, 09:41 AM	#5
Samsungian Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Colorado USA Posts: 1,337 Original Poster	I've got one foot firmly planted in Canon Camp, other firmly planted in Nikon System. Still have Pentax gear waiting for 24x36 solution for all the Pentax glass I've acquired past 10 years. I'm not the only one waiting... I wish Canon offered more in 2012 but they are #1, they think they don't have to. Nikon does offer more bang for buck cause they are #2. Still having Pentax gear in my kit keeps me watchin and wondering how long it will take Ricoh to make any full frame K Mount ? I'd like to see how my Pentax lenses made for full frame hold up on Pentax full frame Dslr. Originally posted by normhead We went through the same kind of thing with the D800. I'm not really sure of the relevance, or of why Canon needs to take notice. Nikon sells a lot of cameras... we all know that. DO we even know what tracking from Amazon means? What kind of camera buyer buys stuff from Amazon? Of what relevance is that to the overall market? If my local drug store sells more Dentine than Juicy Fruit, is that cause for thought? Just wondering where you're going with this.

09-17-2012, 10:22 AM	#6
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by normhead So you're saying this is a post directed to the Canon marketing department... my mistake, I thought being a public forum not a corporate office it might have some relevance to me. We weren't talking about the post but the sales ranking and you know it. Nice try at the old Texas side step though. This is what I suggested that they would be looking at: Amazon Best Sellers: best Digital SLR Cameras Besides, why would a Dentine or Juicy Fruit R&D or marketing team be reading posts in this sub-forum at PF?

09-17-2012, 10:34 AM	#7
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,450	Pentax K-5 #44, wooooo hooooo.. Man those Canon guys sell a lot of cameras. I notice the Canon EOS 5D Mk II is hanging in at #12, and is now the cheapest FF body by about $300... , I think the Canon marketing people might be watching.

09-17-2012, 10:36 AM	#8
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	Originally posted by normhead So you're saying this is a post directed to the Canon marketing department... my mistake, I thought being a public forum not a corporate office it might have some relevance to me. Norm, you are continually wandering in to the non-Pentax subforum and asking why people are talking about non-Pentax cameras in here. What's up with that?

09-17-2012, 11:57 AM	#9
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,450	jsherman you are constantly wandering into whatever forums and misrepresenting what I say... what's up with that? Even if it was about Pentax I would have questioned if that stat had any meaning to anyone.... our previous history is affecting your current judgement. Or is Amazon the latest and greatest interpreter of what's good in the world, and I missed the memo?

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Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by normhead jsherman you are constantly wandering into whatever forums and misrepresenting what I say... what's up with that? Even if it was about Pentax I would have questioned if that stat had any meaning to anyone.... our previous history is affecting your current judgement. Or is Amazon the latest and greatest interpreter of what's good in the world, and I missed the memo? Its just one data set for sales across brands. If I were a marketing guy, it would certainly interest me along with many other data sets.

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09-17-2012, 12:08 PM	#11
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,450	Quote: Its just one data set for sales across brands. If I were a marketing guy, it would certainly interest me along with many other data sets. Yes well the in this case having a handle on some of the other data sets might prevent one from bandering about skewed information, unless one doesn't care whether one's information is skewed. But maybe you're right, if you started with nada, getting one piece of the puzzle is probably huge... But really, now that the 5d Mk II is like $1900, and the cheapest as far as I know FF... what's it like, and can you get a Canon to K-mount adapter for it? Anyone know?

09-17-2012, 12:18 PM	#12
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by normhead Yes well the in this case having a handle on some of the other data sets might prevent one from bandering about skewed information, unless one doesn't care whether one's information is skewed. But maybe you're right, if you started with nada, getting one piece of the puzzle is probably huge... But really, now that the 5d Mk II is like $1900, and the cheapest as far as I know FF... what's it like, and can you get a Canon to K-mount adapter for it? Anyone know? The Canon marketing guys would know how long the MK II has been on the market and how many new units are likely still in the distribution network. Plus, no one was talking about using a single source or skewed data. A good marketing group would know that. Canon and Nikon are in a different situation. From a Pentax context, looking at Amazon, BH, Adorama, and Pentax Imaging would give a good snap shot of the U.S. sales. The trick is to find out how much they could have handled relative to production and distribution.

09-17-2012, 12:27 PM	#13
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,450	Quote: From a Pentax context, looking at Amazon, BH, Adorama, and Pentax Imaging would give a good snap shot of the U.S. sales. The trick is to find out how much they could have handled relative to production and distribution. A Pentax guy would know what their capacity was, how close to capacity they operated, how many units they sold each month and whether that was increasing or decreasing. I find it hard to believe how many were sold on Amazon would play much part in their thinking. That would seem like pretty peripheral information, unless a baseline had already been established to be able to interpret the whole market from one indicator, and Amazon was chosen as that indicator.

09-17-2012, 12:41 PM	#14
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by normhead A Pentax guy would know what their capacity was, how close to capacity they operated, how many units they sold each month and whether that was increasing or decreasing. I find it hard to believe how many were sold on Amazon would play much part in their thinking. That would seem like pretty peripheral information, unless a baseline had already been established to be able to interpret the whole market from one indicator, and Amazon was chosen as that indicator. So you are back to that one indicator thing again. So you propose that Pentax just make some lenses send them to Colorado and not track the distribution channels. Unbelievable. Wait, have you been working out in Golden and Denver?

09-17-2012, 05:14 PM	#15
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,450	So you're saying every marketing department tracks every item of every sale for everyone who sells their product? You're too funny. I get a kick out of people who talk thorough their hats and then try and make it sound like they know something by ridiculing their opponent. Quote: Unbelievable. Wait, have you been working out in Golden and Denver? Ya, pretty much your only way to get any cred I guess.