Speed Booster Adapter

Jasvox · 01-15-2013, 12:40 AM

Alpha mount to NEX mount
Alpha mount to X mount
Leica R to NEX mount
Leica R to X mount

Speed Booster?

600 bucks...

Jason

Mistral75 · 01-15-2013, 06:30 AM

Originally posted by Jasvox

Alpha mount to NEX mount
Alpha mount to X mount
Leica R to NEX mount
Leica R to X mount

Speed Booster?

600 bucks...

Jason

Alpa mount, not Alpha.

Winder · 01-15-2013, 08:43 AM

Comparison: APS-C with Speed Booster VS Full Frame | Fuji Rumors

Since I shoot with primes 100% of the time I like the idea behind the product. I just hope it performs as advertised. 3 lenses and this adapter would give you the equivalent of 6 lenses. The Fuji X system is looking better an better......

demp10 · 01-15-2013, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by Winder

Yeah, but in the same way that an tele-converter degrades IQ this would improve IQ if their statements are true.

A teleconverter does not degrade IQ because it is a teleconverter, but because it adds a number of glass elements behind the lens that were not part of the original design. The same way front converters (both tele and wide) and filters will degrade IQ.

If a reverse teleconverter was able to improve IQ, then I am sure that many lenses would have been designed as telephotos with a build-in converter.

It would be interesting to see the differences when some real tests are published.

Mistral75 · 01-15-2013, 10:06 AM

First test of a prototype by EOSHD:

Prototype Metabones Speed Booster equipped NEX 7 *VS* full frame 5D Mark III – 1st comparison shots | EOSHD.com

Bodies: NEX-7 + Speed Booster vs EOS 5D Mk III.

Lenses used: Sigma 24mm f/1.8 - Samyang 35mm f/1.4 - Canon EF 40mm f/2.8 pancake.

Tester's comment: "This is a groundbreaking product for photographers and cinematographers alike."

Winder · 01-15-2013, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by demp10

A teleconverter does not degrade IQ because it is a teleconverter, but because it adds a number of glass elements behind the lens that were not part of the original design. The same way front converters (both tele and wide) and filters will degrade IQ.

If a reverse teleconverter was able to improve IQ, then I am sure that many lenses would have been designed as telephotos with a build-in converter.

It would be interesting to see the differences when some real tests are published.

A TC magnifies an image and makes flaws more pronounced just like enlarging a print. There is a lot more to it than simple glass elements causing degradation.
First tests are already being posted.
Prototype Metabones Speed Booster equipped NEX 7 *VS* full frame 5D Mark III – 1st comparison shots | EOSHD.com

http://www.eoshd.com/content/9467/aps-c-and-super-35mm-just-went-full-frame-...-speed-booster

cali92rs · 01-15-2013, 05:52 PM - **1 Like**

...Another Mirrorless advantage.
Hopefully Pentax is paying attention.

Clavius · 01-16-2013, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by cali92rs

...Another Mirrorless advantage.
Hopefully Pentax is paying attention.

Seeing the current state of their flash system, sensor formats, lens lineup, 3rd party support, tethering, etc... I'd say good luck with that! LOL! I agree, lets hope Ricoh is able to whip some new survival-spirit into Pentax.

HSV · 01-16-2013, 07:07 AM

Interesting implementation, sounds very promising!

Just curious...is the reduced flange distance a requirement for this to work? What are the effects on depth of field (asumming an equal framing)?

What would be the benefits of a real FF vs a "boosted" APS-C?

I think that signal to noise ratio would be one benefit of the FF (because of larger photosites).

Since this thing has AF (for EF lenses) and it doubles the light, in theory this should improve AF accuracy.

Winder · 01-16-2013, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by HSV

Interesting implementation, sounds very promising!

Just curious...is the reduced flange distance a requirement for this to work? What are the effects on depth of field (asumming an equal framing)?

What would be the benefits of a real FF vs a "boosted" APS-C?

I think that signal to noise ratio would be one benefit of the FF (because of larger photosites).

Since this thing has AF (for EF lenses) and it doubles the light, in theory this should improve AF accuracy.

Yes. You would need a mirrorless body for "most" of these adapters to work or the lenses wont focus properly.

We will have to see how this effects the gap between the two sensor sizes. I have said for a long time that APS-C can match FF performance if you have faster sharper glass (sharper at larger apertures), but this makes APS-C lenses more expensive than FF lenses. This adapter wont be cheap, but it can be used on multiple lenses.

The photosites on the 36MP D800 are the same size as the photosites on the 16MP K-5. You have to enlarge the K-5 image 2x as much to match the output of the D800 so even if noise is equal the K-5 will look noisier (especially on a back illuminated monitor) than the D800.

Winder · 01-16-2013, 08:41 AM

(UPDATED) Metabones Speed Booster adapter will be made for OM lenses too! | 43 Rumors

Unsinkable II · 01-16-2013, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by Winder

Comparison: APS-C with Speed Booster VS Full Frame | Fuji Rumors

Since I shoot with primes 100% of the time I like the idea behind the product. I just hope it performs as advertised. 3 lenses and this adapter would give you the equivalent of 6 lenses. The Fuji X system is looking better an better......

Huh?

Unless the Fuji mirrorless camera lenses produce a FF image circle, it is utterly useless for that "range" of (2, basically the same, right?) cameras.

I do like the product, but acclaiming it as a Fuji-booster is waaay off the mark. Stating it politely.

Winder · 01-16-2013, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by Unsinkable II

Huh?

Unless the Fuji mirrorless camera lenses produce a FF image circle, it is utterly useless for that "range" of (2, basically the same, right?) cameras.

I do like the product, but acclaiming it as a Fuji-booster is waaay off the mark. Stating it politely.

It make the Fuji system look better to me because I have some older Olympus, Contax, Canon FD glass that I could use on the Fuji body. It has nothing to do with Fuji lenses. The adapter allows you to use FF glass on an APS-C body (which the Fuji is) and get better results. It seems way off the mark because you don't know where the mark is..... stating it politely....

climbertrev · 01-16-2013, 12:28 PM

I'm assuming from a quick read that there is no chance of this ever being an adapter I could use on my K5 with Pentax lens

Trevor

Ivan_M · 01-16-2013, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by climbertrev

I'm assuming from a quick read that there is no chance of this ever being an adapter I could use on my K5 with Pentax lens

Trevor

no you cannot

but it would be amazing to have k-01 with this adapter build-in from factory in the space of mirror box (where k-01 has wasted space) and evf, I would but it immediately even knowing that you cannot use most DA lenses...

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01-15-2013, 12:40 AM	#16
Jasvox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,107	Alpha mount to NEX mount Alpha mount to X mount Leica R to NEX mount Leica R to X mount Speed Booster? 600 bucks... Jason

01-15-2013, 06:30 AM	#17
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by Jasvox Alpha mount to NEX mount Alpha mount to X mount Leica R to NEX mount Leica R to X mount Speed Booster? 600 bucks... Jason Alpa mount, not Alpha.

01-15-2013, 08:43 AM	#18
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617 Original Poster	Comparison: APS-C with Speed Booster VS Full Frame \| Fuji Rumors Since I shoot with primes 100% of the time I like the idea behind the product. I just hope it performs as advertised. 3 lenses and this adapter would give you the equivalent of 6 lenses. The Fuji X system is looking better an better......

01-15-2013, 09:46 AM	#19
demp10 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Atlanta Photos: Albums Posts: 602	Originally posted by Winder Yeah, but in the same way that an tele-converter degrades IQ this would improve IQ if their statements are true. A teleconverter does not degrade IQ because it is a teleconverter, but because it adds a number of glass elements behind the lens that were not part of the original design. The same way front converters (both tele and wide) and filters will degrade IQ. If a reverse teleconverter was able to improve IQ, then I am sure that many lenses would have been designed as telephotos with a build-in converter. It would be interesting to see the differences when some real tests are published.

01-15-2013, 10:06 AM	#20
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	First test of a prototype by EOSHD: Prototype Metabones Speed Booster equipped NEX 7 VS full frame 5D Mark III – 1st comparison shots \| EOSHD.com Bodies: NEX-7 + Speed Booster vs EOS 5D Mk III. Lenses used: Sigma 24mm f/1.8 - Samyang 35mm f/1.4 - Canon EF 40mm f/2.8 pancake. Tester's comment: "This is a groundbreaking product for photographers and cinematographers alike."

01-15-2013, 10:07 AM	#21
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617 Original Poster	Originally posted by demp10 A teleconverter does not degrade IQ because it is a teleconverter, but because it adds a number of glass elements behind the lens that were not part of the original design. The same way front converters (both tele and wide) and filters will degrade IQ. If a reverse teleconverter was able to improve IQ, then I am sure that many lenses would have been designed as telephotos with a build-in converter. It would be interesting to see the differences when some real tests are published. A TC magnifies an image and makes flaws more pronounced just like enlarging a print. There is a lot more to it than simple glass elements causing degradation. First tests are already being posted. Prototype Metabones Speed Booster equipped NEX 7 VS full frame 5D Mark III – 1st comparison shots \| EOSHD.com http://www.eoshd.com/content/9467/aps-c-and-super-35mm-just-went-full-frame-...-speed-booster

01-15-2013, 05:52 PM - 1 Like	#22
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	...Another Mirrorless advantage. Hopefully Pentax is paying attention.

01-16-2013, 01:55 AM	#23
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by cali92rs ...Another Mirrorless advantage. Hopefully Pentax is paying attention. Seeing the current state of their flash system, sensor formats, lens lineup, 3rd party support, tethering, etc... I'd say good luck with that! LOL! I agree, lets hope Ricoh is able to whip some new survival-spirit into Pentax.

01-16-2013, 07:07 AM	#24
HSV Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 321	Interesting implementation, sounds very promising! Just curious...is the reduced flange distance a requirement for this to work? What are the effects on depth of field (asumming an equal framing)? What would be the benefits of a real FF vs a "boosted" APS-C? I think that signal to noise ratio would be one benefit of the FF (because of larger photosites). Since this thing has AF (for EF lenses) and it doubles the light, in theory this should improve AF accuracy.

01-16-2013, 08:40 AM	#25
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617 Original Poster	Originally posted by HSV Interesting implementation, sounds very promising! Just curious...is the reduced flange distance a requirement for this to work? What are the effects on depth of field (asumming an equal framing)? What would be the benefits of a real FF vs a "boosted" APS-C? I think that signal to noise ratio would be one benefit of the FF (because of larger photosites). Since this thing has AF (for EF lenses) and it doubles the light, in theory this should improve AF accuracy. Yes. You would need a mirrorless body for "most" of these adapters to work or the lenses wont focus properly. We will have to see how this effects the gap between the two sensor sizes. I have said for a long time that APS-C can match FF performance if you have faster sharper glass (sharper at larger apertures), but this makes APS-C lenses more expensive than FF lenses. This adapter wont be cheap, but it can be used on multiple lenses. The photosites on the 36MP D800 are the same size as the photosites on the 16MP K-5. You have to enlarge the K-5 image 2x as much to match the output of the D800 so even if noise is equal the K-5 will look noisier (especially on a back illuminated monitor) than the D800.

01-16-2013, 08:41 AM	#26
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617 Original Poster	(UPDATED) Metabones Speed Booster adapter will be made for OM lenses too! \| 43 Rumors

01-16-2013, 10:41 AM	#27
Unsinkable II Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,352	Originally posted by Winder Comparison: APS-C with Speed Booster VS Full Frame \| Fuji Rumors Since I shoot with primes 100% of the time I like the idea behind the product. I just hope it performs as advertised. 3 lenses and this adapter would give you the equivalent of 6 lenses. The Fuji X system is looking better an better...... Huh? Unless the Fuji mirrorless camera lenses produce a FF image circle, it is utterly useless for that "range" of (2, basically the same, right?) cameras. I do like the product, but acclaiming it as a Fuji-booster is waaay off the mark. Stating it politely.

01-16-2013, 10:55 AM	#28
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617 Original Poster	Originally posted by Unsinkable II Huh? Unless the Fuji mirrorless camera lenses produce a FF image circle, it is utterly useless for that "range" of (2, basically the same, right?) cameras. I do like the product, but acclaiming it as a Fuji-booster is waaay off the mark. Stating it politely. It make the Fuji system look better to me because I have some older Olympus, Contax, Canon FD glass that I could use on the Fuji body. It has nothing to do with Fuji lenses. The adapter allows you to use FF glass on an APS-C body (which the Fuji is) and get better results. It seems way off the mark because you don't know where the mark is..... stating it politely....

01-16-2013, 12:28 PM	#29
climbertrev Forum Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Plymouth,United Kingdom Posts: 72	I'm assuming from a quick read that there is no chance of this ever being an adapter I could use on my K5 with Pentax lens Trevor

01-16-2013, 12:34 PM	#30
Ivan_M Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Czech Republic (EU) Posts: 44	Originally posted by climbertrev I'm assuming from a quick read that there is no chance of this ever being an adapter I could use on my K5 with Pentax lens Trevor no you cannot but it would be amazing to have k-01 with this adapter build-in from factory in the space of mirror box (where k-01 has wasted space) and evf, I would but it immediately even knowing that you cannot use most DA lenses...