Originally posted by RobA_Oz I think you missed something in what I was saying. The optics in Zeiss and Leica lenses are supposed to be the best that money can buy. That does not mean they exhibit variations like Lomo lenses. I take your point about individual characteristics, but the variations being described were optical flaws of a magnitude that no serious lens manufacturer would countenance. Comparisons with McDonalds are not really relevant. Although they adopted quality system principles to minimise variations, it was to minimise cost and ensure the same experience was achieved each time. It was not to deliver a high standard of cuisine.
I think you missed something in what I was saying. I was not saying that variation alone accounts for whether you see a "flaw" or not.
The combination of the lens and camera (and adapter) may create issues - that may be unique to the combination, and variations can be a contributing factor. The same lens may not exhibit the issue on another body (same model). That's why I said a sample size of one proves nothing. We already know the Zeiss 21mm is prone to colour casting - even on Leica bodies. Some Leica wide angles are also susceptible. If you don't like that, don't buy these lenses.
There is no such thing as a perfect lens, and I don't believe that ALL Leica and Zeiss lenses are "the best that money can buy." For example, the Sony 50mm E mount is sharper in the centre than a Summicron 50mm. Some of the longer Leica lenses are prone to flaring. My Summicron 90 is very prone to purple fringing. My Summilux 50 has poor contrast when wide open.
In the end, it's not about perfection - it's about a whole bunch of other factors. I am not going to list them, because it's actually different for every lens. As an example, a Summicron for me is really is about contrast, colour rendition and bokeh - that's what I want and I don't care if it is not as sharp in the centre as a $300 Sony lens. And the rendition and bokeh will be slightly different from lens to lens - at one stage I own multiple copies of the same lenses because I couldn't decide which one I preferred. I eventually settled on one each, but it was a long hard decision and it took months to make up my mind.
Your expectations regarding these lenses are not the expectations I have when I buy these lenses. If I wanted consistency and accuracy, I would have bought Canon. But even Roger Cicala has documented that quite large variations can exist even for factory mass produced lenses.
I think the comparison to McDonalds is absolutely relevant. As you yourself pointed out, consistency and minimising variations does not equate to a "high standard". One of my favourite restaurants serves Napoli pizzas - each pizza is uniquely shaped. I accept that sometimes I get a smaller serving, the ingredients may be a little more unevenly distributed, but the taste and the flavour makes up for all that inconsistency.