The A7r hate thread

Adam · 10-16-2013, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by Christine Tham

In a possibly vain attempt to curb myself from preordering the A7r I am going to list the negatives I can think of:

1. No pink Hello Kitty option. Not even a gold option to match my iPhone 5s.
2. the cont AF is slow - probably not usable
3. The microlenses are tuned to the E mount registration distance - probably issues with non-native lenses. There's report of colour shifting and vignetting on a Zeiss 21mm M mount Biogon.
4. Relatively short battery life.
5. A9 is coming next year - maybe
6. Means I have to upgrade to Lightroom 5 - that will kill me for sure ...

OK I am running out. Anything you can think of? A lot of people are criticising the look. I think it looks okay.

Just get the pre-order over with already!

Adam
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bossa · 10-16-2013, 02:52 PM

I fear that if Ricoh doesn't make an announcement re' a K-3F within weeks they will be too late to the party to satisfy existing owners of legacy glass. That may well not matter to them as I would expect them to want to sell as many new lenses as possible. There is still the need for an answer re' the affect of the microlenses when using legacy glass with the A7 series as well.

jogiba · 10-16-2013, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by todd

FPS is low..

Both the 36MP Sony A7r and 36MP Nikon D800E shoot at a maximum 4FPS.

Winder · 10-16-2013, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by jogiba

Both the 36MP Sony A7r and 36MP Nikon D800E shoot at a maximum 4FPS.

I'm not sure what people expect. 36MP 14-bit RAW files are huge. This isn't a spray and pray camera.

Adam · 10-16-2013, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by jogiba

Both the 36MP Sony A7r and 36MP Nikon D800E shoot at a maximum 4FPS.

And the A7 has a better framerate of 5FPS. That's good enough for anyone as long as the buffer is big enough, IMO.

Are legacy Pentax lenses really good enough for the A7r? I'm a bit skeptical. It may be worth trying to compare both cameras side-by-side.

Adam · 10-16-2013, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by Winder

I'm not sure what people expect. 36MP 14-bit RAW files are huge. This isn't a spray and pray camera.

Absolutely right!

azimuthal · 10-16-2013, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by Winder

This isn't a spray and pray camera.

Challenge accepted.

**PJ1** · 10-16-2013, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by bossa

I fear that if Ricoh doesn't make an announcement re' a K-3F within weeks they will be too late to the party to satisfy existing owners of legacy glass. That may well not matter to them as I would expect them to want to sell as many new lenses as possible. There is still the need for an answer re' the affect of the microlenses when using legacy glass with the A7 series as well.

Don't the comparison images just about say it all. How much is the A7r like the K-01 which also has FF coverage? Was the K-01 a test bed for FF? Maybe it will come out with Ricoh on the front instead of Pentax.

Pentax for APS-C, Ricoh for FF? (I know I shouldn't have said that!)

falconeye · 10-16-2013, 03:15 PM

Hate the A7 because its EV adjustment dial reminds me painfully at good old film camera days where camera operation was joyful.

**Rondec** · 10-16-2013, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by Big G

So if I took an image a day, that's over a years worth of battery?

Your post is invalid conjecture - it entirely depends on your requirements as a photographer. If you're on holiday and took 30 pictures a day, that's still over 10 days off a single charge. The battery on my EOS 7D lasts about twice as long as the NEX-7, but that's still a large number of photographs (not to mention the lack of EVF) and I never think "oh jeez, the NEX-7 battery is rubbish".

Lets get real, the battery life is perfectly fine unless you're rifling off 200+ images a day. Any self respecting photographer that does that will always carry a spare battery anyway. It is grossly unfair to tout it as "abysmal" because that's just not true.

When I go on vacation for a week, I take an average of 2000 photos. That's me. Now, I don't use flash at all, but I do use a viewfinder and two batteries on my K5 will last me the duration.

Winder · 10-16-2013, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by Rondec

When I go on vacation for a week, I take an average of 2000 photos. That's me. Now, I don't use flash at all, but I do use a viewfinder and two batteries on my K5 will last me the duration.

Do you go on a weeks vacation to places that don't have electricity? 2000 photos a week is less than 300 per day so unless you don't sleep all week you could charge it over night while you sleep..... Like a cell phone.

You take 2 batteries for your K-5. Why is having multiple batteries for the A7 such a big deal.

It seems you are inventing reasons to not like the Sony A7.

**dms** · 10-16-2013, 03:31 PM

Maybe I missed it in all your posts--but I don't believe it has in body SR--if it did I think it would really be IT!

rawr · 10-16-2013, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by Big G

It is grossly unfair to tout it as "abysmal" because that's just not true.

They are the CIPA numbers. No one is making things up.

It's an inconvenience, not a disaster, to be sure, just like short battery life in a mobile phone. And probably, if I had a mobile phone that had a battery that lasted less than a day, I should also carry several batteries with me, like 'any self respecting mobile phone user' would. LOL.

Sony could probably have done battery life better in the A7, as one would expect from a flagship.

Winder · 10-16-2013, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by rawr

They are the CIPA numbers. No one is making things up.

It's an inconvenience, not a disaster to be sure, just like short battery life in a mobile phone. And probably, if I had a mobile phone that had a battery that lasted less than a day, I should also carry several batteries with me, like 'any self respecting mobile phone user' would. LOL.

Sony could probably have done battery life better in the A7, as one would expect from a flagship.

Let's put this into prospective. We're talking about 24.5GB of image files per day..... (assuming 36MP 14-bit uncompressed RAW files at 340 shots).

If you are a machine gun style photographer then this is not a camera for you. The battery will last all day if you are a deliberate, discerning photographer.

azimuthal · 10-16-2013, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by rawr

They are the CIPA numbers. No one is making things up.

It's an inconvenience, not a disaster to be sure, just like short battery life in a mobile phone. And probably, if I had a mobile phone that had a battery that lasted less than a day, I should also carry several batteries with me, like 'any self respecting mobile phone user' would. LOL.

This is a really silly/meaningless comparison.
Carrying extra batteries for a digital camera is pretty standard.

Originally posted by rawr

Sony could probably have done battery life better in the A7, as one would expect from a flagship.

I'm sure they could have done better, but I would rather have shorter battery life and smaller size. Personally, I think shorter battery life is an entirely tolerable shortcoming for this camera, others may consider it a deal breaker.

10-16-2013, 02:52 PM	#17
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	I fear that if Ricoh doesn't make an announcement re' a K-3F within weeks they will be too late to the party to satisfy existing owners of legacy glass. That may well not matter to them as I would expect them to want to sell as many new lenses as possible. There is still the need for an answer re' the affect of the microlenses when using legacy glass with the A7 series as well. Attached Images

10-16-2013, 03:01 PM	#20
Adam Administrator Site Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 51,593	Originally posted by jogiba Both the 36MP Sony A7r and 36MP Nikon D800E shoot at a maximum 4FPS. And the A7 has a better framerate of 5FPS. That's good enough for anyone as long as the buffer is big enough, IMO. Are legacy Pentax lenses really good enough for the A7r? I'm a bit skeptical. It may be worth trying to compare both cameras side-by-side. Adam PentaxForums.com Webmaster (Site Usage Guide \| Site Help \| My Photography) PentaxForums.com server and development costs are user-supported. You can help cover these costs by donating or purchasing one of our Pentax eBooks. Or, buy your photo gear from our affiliates, Adorama, B&H Photo, KEH, or Topaz Labs, and get FREE Marketplace access - click here to see how! Trusted Pentax retailers:

10-16-2013, 03:02 PM	#21
Adam Administrator Site Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 51,593	Originally posted by Winder I'm not sure what people expect. 36MP 14-bit RAW files are huge. This isn't a spray and pray camera. Absolutely right! Adam PentaxForums.com Webmaster (Site Usage Guide \| Site Help \| My Photography) PentaxForums.com server and development costs are user-supported. You can help cover these costs by donating or purchasing one of our Pentax eBooks. Or, buy your photo gear from our affiliates, Adorama, B&H Photo, KEH, or Topaz Labs, and get FREE Marketplace access - click here to see how! Trusted Pentax retailers:

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dms Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: New York, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,192	No In body SR Maybe I missed it in all your posts--but I don't believe it has in body SR--if it did I think it would really be IT!

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10-16-2013, 02:35 PM	#16
Adam Administrator Site Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 51,593	Originally posted by Christine Tham In a possibly vain attempt to curb myself from preordering the A7r I am going to list the negatives I can think of: 1. No pink Hello Kitty option. Not even a gold option to match my iPhone 5s. 2. the cont AF is slow - probably not usable 3. The microlenses are tuned to the E mount registration distance - probably issues with non-native lenses. There's report of colour shifting and vignetting on a Zeiss 21mm M mount Biogon. 4. Relatively short battery life. 5. A9 is coming next year - maybe 6. Means I have to upgrade to Lightroom 5 - that will kill me for sure ... OK I am running out. Anything you can think of? A lot of people are criticising the look. I think it looks okay. Just get the pre-order over with already! Adam PentaxForums.com Webmaster (Site Usage Guide \| Site Help \| My Photography) PentaxForums.com server and development costs are user-supported. You can help cover these costs by donating or purchasing one of our Pentax eBooks. Or, buy your photo gear from our affiliates, Adorama, B&H Photo, KEH, or Topaz Labs, and get FREE Marketplace access - click here to see how! Trusted Pentax retailers:

10-16-2013, 02:53 PM	#18
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491	Originally posted by todd FPS is low.. Both the 36MP Sony A7r and 36MP Nikon D800E shoot at a maximum 4FPS.

10-16-2013, 03:01 PM	#19
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by jogiba Both the 36MP Sony A7r and 36MP Nikon D800E shoot at a maximum 4FPS. I'm not sure what people expect. 36MP 14-bit RAW files are huge. This isn't a spray and pray camera.

10-16-2013, 03:10 PM	#22
azimuthal Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: reno Posts: 70	Originally posted by Winder This isn't a spray and pray camera. Challenge accepted.

10-16-2013, 03:13 PM	#23
PJ1 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Toowoomba, Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,481	Originally posted by bossa I fear that if Ricoh doesn't make an announcement re' a K-3F within weeks they will be too late to the party to satisfy existing owners of legacy glass. That may well not matter to them as I would expect them to want to sell as many new lenses as possible. There is still the need for an answer re' the affect of the microlenses when using legacy glass with the A7 series as well. Don't the comparison images just about say it all. How much is the A7r like the K-01 which also has FF coverage? Was the K-01 a test bed for FF? Maybe it will come out with Ricoh on the front instead of Pentax. Pentax for APS-C, Ricoh for FF? (I know I shouldn't have said that!)

10-16-2013, 03:15 PM	#24
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Hate the A7 because its EV adjustment dial reminds me painfully at good old film camera days where camera operation was joyful.

10-16-2013, 03:20 PM	#25
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,650	Originally posted by Big G So if I took an image a day, that's over a years worth of battery? Your post is invalid conjecture - it entirely depends on your requirements as a photographer. If you're on holiday and took 30 pictures a day, that's still over 10 days off a single charge. The battery on my EOS 7D lasts about twice as long as the NEX-7, but that's still a large number of photographs (not to mention the lack of EVF) and I never think "oh jeez, the NEX-7 battery is rubbish". Lets get real, the battery life is perfectly fine unless you're rifling off 200+ images a day. Any self respecting photographer that does that will always carry a spare battery anyway. It is grossly unfair to tout it as "abysmal" because that's just not true. When I go on vacation for a week, I take an average of 2000 photos. That's me. Now, I don't use flash at all, but I do use a viewfinder and two batteries on my K5 will last me the duration.

10-16-2013, 03:29 PM	#26
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by Rondec When I go on vacation for a week, I take an average of 2000 photos. That's me. Now, I don't use flash at all, but I do use a viewfinder and two batteries on my K5 will last me the duration. Do you go on a weeks vacation to places that don't have electricity? 2000 photos a week is less than 300 per day so unless you don't sleep all week you could charge it over night while you sleep..... Like a cell phone. You take 2 batteries for your K-5. Why is having multiple batteries for the A7 such a big deal. It seems you are inventing reasons to not like the Sony A7.

10-16-2013, 03:34 PM	#28
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Big G It is grossly unfair to tout it as "abysmal" because that's just not true. They are the CIPA numbers. No one is making things up. It's an inconvenience, not a disaster, to be sure, just like short battery life in a mobile phone. And probably, if I had a mobile phone that had a battery that lasted less than a day, I should also carry several batteries with me, like 'any self respecting mobile phone user' would. LOL. Sony could probably have done battery life better in the A7, as one would expect from a flagship.

10-16-2013, 03:44 PM	#29
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by rawr They are the CIPA numbers. No one is making things up. It's an inconvenience, not a disaster to be sure, just like short battery life in a mobile phone. And probably, if I had a mobile phone that had a battery that lasted less than a day, I should also carry several batteries with me, like 'any self respecting mobile phone user' would. LOL. Sony could probably have done battery life better in the A7, as one would expect from a flagship. Let's put this into prospective. We're talking about 24.5GB of image files per day..... (assuming 36MP 14-bit uncompressed RAW files at 340 shots). If you are a machine gun style photographer then this is not a camera for you. The battery will last all day if you are a deliberate, discerning photographer.

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10-16-2013, 03:49 PM	#30
azimuthal Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: reno Posts: 70	Originally posted by rawr They are the CIPA numbers. No one is making things up. It's an inconvenience, not a disaster to be sure, just like short battery life in a mobile phone. And probably, if I had a mobile phone that had a battery that lasted less than a day, I should also carry several batteries with me, like 'any self respecting mobile phone user' would. LOL. This is a really silly/meaningless comparison. Carrying extra batteries for a digital camera is pretty standard. Originally posted by rawr Sony could probably have done battery life better in the A7, as one would expect from a flagship. I'm sure they could have done better, but I would rather have shorter battery life and smaller size. Personally, I think shorter battery life is an entirely tolerable shortcoming for this camera, others may consider it a deal breaker.