Popular Photography ignores K3

dyoon153 · 07-20-2014, 10:20 AM

Gee, did you really have to show me that?

I'm sure that's not the most effective way to compare each company in the market, but does give some reflection of how much brand recognition pentax is getting in overall

cali92rs · 07-20-2014, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by Clicker

Advertising dollars

Well...ummm...perhaps Ricoh should advertise more.

Or the alternative is we can continue complaining how websites treat Pentax unfairly instead of complaining that Ricoh doesnt know how to get their products in front of consumers faces.

stevebrot · 07-20-2014, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by jogiba

Google search results :

stevebrot : 34,800 results

jogiba : 17,500 results

Steve

(...and I don't even sell televisions or clock radios...)

(...not that it means anything...)

Jonathan Mac · 07-20-2014, 10:05 PM

Pentax make the best APS-C camera there's ever been and they get ignored. Canon make all their APS-C cameras using a sensor that's four years old and they sell like hotcakes. I think we can make two conclusions.

People are ignorant.
It's all about the advertising $$$.

g026r · 07-20-2014, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by dyoon153

I'm sure that's not the most effective way to compare each company in the market, but does give some reflection of how much brand recognition pentax is getting in overall

Far from the most effective way.

I mean, for Nikon? Probably. Canon? Maybe. Sony? Hahahaha. The first link I have, after the Sony Store one, is for a news article on "Sony's walkman makes a comeback", and most of the other links on my first page are related to Sony Xperia phones, Sony Music, and Sony Pictures. They're a far too diverse company to use Google search for just the company name as a metric of camera market penetration/camera-related brand recognition.

(Or, to put it another way: searching for Samsung gives me "[a]bout 460,000,000 results". How often do you see someone using a Samsung camera that isn't their smartphone?)

jogiba · 07-21-2014, 04:31 AM

Originally posted by stevebrot

stevebrot : 34,800 results

jogiba : 17,500 results

Steve

(...and I don't even sell televisions or clock radios...)

(...not that it means anything...)

jogibajr YouTube channel statistics - StatSheep

**Rondec** · 07-21-2014, 05:59 AM

I don't think it should matter how big a company Ricoh/Pentax is, how much they spend on advertising. An unbiased magazine should treat them on equal footing with the big players and if they have a camera body that matches up well against others, say so. In addition to just being honest, this pressures Canon and Nikon to up their game.

Really strange though that they do compare this camera to such old Canon and Nikon cameras, as well. Maybe an article written by Rip Van Winkle?

lesmore49 · 07-21-2014, 07:34 AM

I agree with the OP. I'm a long time subscriber to Pop Photo and I was very disappointed with that same article. I'm also finding that many of their how to articles seem to invariably use one of the Canon 5D (11/111) models as the camera in use.

Magazines need to remember that although advertising dollars are important...they also need to ensure that they don't alienate their subscribers with a one make focus. If media lose subscribers lose due to an imbalance in editorial....they will also experience a loss in demographics.

Media sales for advertising are dependent on the sales people being able to tell potential advertisers how many subscribers/readers read the media. When readership numbers go down......demographics are affected and advertising rates go down.

Not a way to run a successful business.

tuco · 07-21-2014, 07:59 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

...
Really strange though that they do compare this camera to such old Canon and Nikon cameras, as well.

It's not strange at all. That's how you can stack the results to make sure you have a clear winner. And perhaps that is why they ignored using a K3 in the comparison too.

RyanW · 07-21-2014, 09:00 AM

Sony is not the only manufacturer making high end APS-C, but I do agree comparing the the Sony with the 7d and D300 as far as AF is concerned. Pentax doesn't really cater to sports shooters the way Nikon, Canon and to a lesser extent Sony does. Meaning excellent AF and native lenses that cover the required lengths and focus quickly.

Leave out the AF part and the K3 is a stellar camera and is at the top of the APS-C heap.

**Rondec** · 07-21-2014, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by lesmore49

I agree with the OP. I'm a long time subscriber to Pop Photo and I was very disappointed with that same article. I'm also finding that many of their how to articles seem to invariably use one of the Canon 5D (11/111) models as the camera in use.

Magazines need to remember that although advertising dollars are important...they also need to ensure that they don't alienate their subscribers with a one make focus. If media lose subscribers lose due to an imbalance in editorial....they will also experience a loss in demographics.

Media sales for advertising are dependent on the sales people being able to tell potential advertisers how many subscribers/readers read the media. When readership numbers go down......demographics are affected and advertising rates go down.

Not a way to run a successful business.

Exactly. When a significant amount of your business/sales is related to testing, you'd better be perceived as relatively impartial. Otherwise your readership will dry up and those advertisers you have been catering will stop advertising.

stevebrot · 07-21-2014, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by jogiba

jogibajr YouTube channel statistics - StatSheep

Ya got me beat! I submit! I don't do video and am totally vanquished!

http://www.statsheep.com/jogibajr/videos/Most_Viewed

Steve

---------- Post added 07-21-14 at 10:34 AM ----------

Originally posted by tuco

It's not strange at all. That's how you can stack the results to make sure you have a clear winner. And perhaps that is why they ignored using a K3 in the comparison too.

I can imagine the break room conversation...

"I started my A77 II review evaluation this week and to be honest, I don't see any way to make this camera stand out. I mean, it is a nice unit, but is...well...you know...sort of..."

(colleague interrupts...)
"You mean that it is not that much different than the three year old product it is replacing and that the A77, good as it is, is getting sort of long-in-the-tooth?"

"Yeah, you nailed it! It is a great camera and I like it, but it is not a standout in any way for its market segment. It also doesn't help that the original did not exactly break any sales records despite its unique features. I guess I could gush that they have finally opted for a standard hot-shoe."

"Well, you could always just compare it to the same models as the original review* we did back in 2011. Most of the points of comparison are still valid. It may even be that readers won't notice that Sony dropped the GPS."

"Gotcha! Thanks for the advice!"

Steve

* The original review did indeed compare to the 7D and D300s.

Parallax · 07-21-2014, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by AtitG

I wonder what makes the sony a77 II more "high-end" compared to the pentax k-3, nikon D7100 and canon 70d.

Originally posted by Clicker

Advertising dollars

Exactly!

ElJamoquio · 07-21-2014, 11:18 AM

Is the 70D better than the 7D? I would've said the 7D is Canon's top APS-C camera, and it *was* intro'd 5 years ago. It'd be suprising to me if it stayed till the end of the year.

Who knows though. Maybe Canon's plan is continuously-cheaper 6D's.

reeftool · 07-21-2014, 11:41 AM

The August issue of Shutterbug lists the best cameras of 2014 and this years TIPA awards. The K3 is listed as the Best Expert DSLR of the year so the camera isn't being ignored. I do agree that for the most part, most of the press seems to ignore everything except Canon and Nikon and only mention Pentax grudgingly.

07-20-2014, 09:07 PM	#18
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by jogiba Google search results : stevebrot : 34,800 results jogiba : 17,500 results Steve (...and I don't even sell televisions or clock radios...) (...not that it means anything...) Last edited by stevebrot; 07-20-2014 at 09:17 PM.

07-20-2014, 10:27 PM	#20
g026r Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,074	Originally posted by dyoon153 I'm sure that's not the most effective way to compare each company in the market, but does give some reflection of how much brand recognition pentax is getting in overall Far from the most effective way. I mean, for Nikon? Probably. Canon? Maybe. Sony? Hahahaha. The first link I have, after the Sony Store one, is for a news article on "Sony's walkman makes a comeback", and most of the other links on my first page are related to Sony Xperia phones, Sony Music, and Sony Pictures. They're a far too diverse company to use Google search for just the company name as a metric of camera market penetration/camera-related brand recognition. (Or, to put it another way: searching for Samsung gives me "[a]bout 460,000,000 results". How often do you see someone using a Samsung camera that isn't their smartphone?) Last edited by g026r; 07-21-2014 at 10:51 AM.

07-21-2014, 09:00 AM	#25
RyanW Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 583	Sony is not the only manufacturer making high end APS-C, but I do agree comparing the the Sony with the 7d and D300 as far as AF is concerned. Pentax doesn't really cater to sports shooters the way Nikon, Canon and to a lesser extent Sony does. Meaning excellent AF and native lenses that cover the required lengths and focus quickly. Leave out the AF part and the K3 is a stellar camera and is at the top of the APS-C heap. Last edited by RyanW; 07-21-2014 at 10:09 AM.

07-21-2014, 10:10 AM	#27
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by jogiba jogibajr YouTube channel statistics - StatSheep Ya got me beat! I submit! I don't do video and am totally vanquished! http://www.statsheep.com/jogibajr/videos/Most_Viewed Steve ---------- Post added 07-21-14 at 10:34 AM ---------- Originally posted by tuco It's not strange at all. That's how you can stack the results to make sure you have a clear winner. And perhaps that is why they ignored using a K3 in the comparison too. I can imagine the break room conversation... "I started my A77 II review evaluation this week and to be honest, I don't see any way to make this camera stand out. I mean, it is a nice unit, but is...well...you know...sort of..." (colleague interrupts...) "You mean that it is not that much different than the three year old product it is replacing and that the A77, good as it is, is getting sort of long-in-the-tooth?" "Yeah, you nailed it! It is a great camera and I like it, but it is not a standout in any way for its market segment. It also doesn't help that the original did not exactly break any sales records despite its unique features. I guess I could gush that they have finally opted for a standard hot-shoe." "Well, you could always just compare it to the same models as the original review* we did back in 2011. Most of the points of comparison are still valid. It may even be that readers won't notice that Sony dropped the GPS." "Gotcha! Thanks for the advice!" Steve * The original review did indeed compare to the 7D and D300s. Last edited by stevebrot; 07-21-2014 at 11:15 AM.

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07-20-2014, 10:20 AM	#16
dyoon153 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 84	Gee, did you really have to show me that? I'm sure that's not the most effective way to compare each company in the market, but does give some reflection of how much brand recognition pentax is getting in overall

07-20-2014, 06:47 PM	#17
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	Originally posted by Clicker Advertising dollars Well...ummm...perhaps Ricoh should advertise more. Or the alternative is we can continue complaining how websites treat Pentax unfairly instead of complaining that Ricoh doesnt know how to get their products in front of consumers faces.

07-20-2014, 10:05 PM	#19
Jonathan Mac Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 10,904	Pentax make the best APS-C camera there's ever been and they get ignored. Canon make all their APS-C cameras using a sensor that's four years old and they sell like hotcakes. I think we can make two conclusions. People are ignorant. It's all about the advertising $$$.

07-21-2014, 04:31 AM	#21
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491	Originally posted by stevebrot stevebrot : 34,800 results jogiba : 17,500 results Steve (...and I don't even sell televisions or clock radios...) (...not that it means anything...) jogibajr YouTube channel statistics - StatSheep

07-21-2014, 05:59 AM	#22
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,663	I don't think it should matter how big a company Ricoh/Pentax is, how much they spend on advertising. An unbiased magazine should treat them on equal footing with the big players and if they have a camera body that matches up well against others, say so. In addition to just being honest, this pressures Canon and Nikon to up their game. Really strange though that they do compare this camera to such old Canon and Nikon cameras, as well. Maybe an article written by Rip Van Winkle?

07-21-2014, 07:34 AM	#23
lesmore49 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Western Canada Posts: 12,349	I agree with the OP. I'm a long time subscriber to Pop Photo and I was very disappointed with that same article. I'm also finding that many of their how to articles seem to invariably use one of the Canon 5D (11/111) models as the camera in use. Magazines need to remember that although advertising dollars are important...they also need to ensure that they don't alienate their subscribers with a one make focus. If media lose subscribers lose due to an imbalance in editorial....they will also experience a loss in demographics. Media sales for advertising are dependent on the sales people being able to tell potential advertisers how many subscribers/readers read the media. When readership numbers go down......demographics are affected and advertising rates go down. Not a way to run a successful business.

07-21-2014, 07:59 AM	#24
tuco Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pugetopolis Posts: 11,029	Originally posted by Rondec ... Really strange though that they do compare this camera to such old Canon and Nikon cameras, as well. It's not strange at all. That's how you can stack the results to make sure you have a clear winner. And perhaps that is why they ignored using a K3 in the comparison too.

07-21-2014, 10:03 AM	#26
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,663	Originally posted by lesmore49 I agree with the OP. I'm a long time subscriber to Pop Photo and I was very disappointed with that same article. I'm also finding that many of their how to articles seem to invariably use one of the Canon 5D (11/111) models as the camera in use. Magazines need to remember that although advertising dollars are important...they also need to ensure that they don't alienate their subscribers with a one make focus. If media lose subscribers lose due to an imbalance in editorial....they will also experience a loss in demographics. Media sales for advertising are dependent on the sales people being able to tell potential advertisers how many subscribers/readers read the media. When readership numbers go down......demographics are affected and advertising rates go down. Not a way to run a successful business. Exactly. When a significant amount of your business/sales is related to testing, you'd better be perceived as relatively impartial. Otherwise your readership will dry up and those advertisers you have been catering will stop advertising.

07-21-2014, 10:44 AM	#28
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Originally posted by AtitG I wonder what makes the sony a77 II more "high-end" compared to the pentax k-3, nikon D7100 and canon 70d. Originally posted by Clicker Advertising dollars Exactly!

07-21-2014, 11:18 AM	#29
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Is the 70D better than the 7D? I would've said the 7D is Canon's top APS-C camera, and it was intro'd 5 years ago. It'd be suprising to me if it stayed till the end of the year. Who knows though. Maybe Canon's plan is continuously-cheaper 6D's.

07-21-2014, 11:41 AM	#30
reeftool Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Upstate New York Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,555	The August issue of Shutterbug lists the best cameras of 2014 and this years TIPA awards. The K3 is listed as the Best Expert DSLR of the year so the camera isn't being ignored. I do agree that for the most part, most of the press seems to ignore everything except Canon and Nikon and only mention Pentax grudgingly.