New sensor revolution from Sony!

**Digitalis** · 11-14-2014, 07:06 AM

Originally posted by rawr

Once the guys from the Lab turn their latest baby over to corporate and marketing, great tech can often die, because (for example) marketing decides no one will buy the stuff, or corporate decides it's simply too expensive to produce relative to any new sales it might generate.

Or the project might never get out of development hell, or production yields may be so abysmally low that the sensor will be prohibitively expensive to produce in larger sizes.

normhead · 11-14-2014, 07:09 AM

IN short, I really don't want to get excited until it makes it's way into a camera. As with Samsung's 28 Mp backlit sensor. Great theory, but the IR images are not as good as the K-3s at 3200 ISO. My question became, "why did they actually produce this sensor, we're they really thinking they could sell product, just on marketing hype?"

Clavius · 11-14-2014, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by rawr

Yes, but tech advances don't always turn into saleable products.

Once the guys from the Lab turn their latest baby over to corporate and marketing, great tech can often die, because (for example) marketing decides no one will buy the stuff, or corporate decides it's simply too expensive to produce relative to any new sales it might generate.

We're talking about Sony developing a new type of sensor here. Like the humble little Samsung and Sigma did before them. Not about some crazy science fiction concept like a stable pertuum mobile, hyperspace drive, a cure for every imaginable disease or a digital FF Pentax. (You guys were begging for it.)

Clavius · 11-17-2014, 05:32 AM

Technical details: (SR4) Detailed spec sheet of the new Sony APCS (active pixel color sampling) sensor! | sonyalpharumors

...I have no idea what they're saying...

normhead · 11-17-2014, 06:41 AM

It says base ISO 5100, with a dynamic range of 22 EV.... 9 more stops dynamic range the dynamic range at 5 times the sensitivity.

Giklab · 11-17-2014, 08:37 AM

The same principle as with ultrasonic dust removal and SR AA.

Originally posted by normhead

It says base ISO 5100, with a dynamic range of 22 EV.... 9 more stops dynamic range the dynamic range at 5 times the sensitivity.

That's 21.3 EV, but still...

Also:
"The only question is how this triple exposure time will work on moving subjects and long exposure shots"

It will work on long-exp just as it's always worked: shorter exposure times stacked one on top of another.

stevebrot · 11-17-2014, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by normhead

It says base ISO 5100, with a dynamic range of 22 EV.... 9 more stops dynamic range the dynamic range at 5 times the sensitivity.

Wasn't this discussed on another thread? The miracle sensor is a 1.5cm video sensor with about 4.4 Mpx resolution. the tech may eventually make its way into larger, high resolution sensors, but for now it is rumored to be a specialty product optimized for what might be incredible 2K video performance...assuming, of course, there are image processors capable of keeping up with it.

Steve

11-14-2014, 07:28 AM	#18
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150 Original Poster	Originally posted by rawr Yes, but tech advances don't always turn into saleable products. Once the guys from the Lab turn their latest baby over to corporate and marketing, great tech can often die, because (for example) marketing decides no one will buy the stuff, or corporate decides it's simply too expensive to produce relative to any new sales it might generate. We're talking about Sony developing a new type of sensor here. Like the humble little Samsung and Sigma did before them. Not about some crazy science fiction concept like a stable pertuum mobile, hyperspace drive, a cure for every imaginable disease or a digital FF Pentax. (You guys were begging for it.) Last edited by Clavius; 11-14-2014 at 07:38 AM.

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11-14-2014, 07:06 AM	#16
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by rawr Once the guys from the Lab turn their latest baby over to corporate and marketing, great tech can often die, because (for example) marketing decides no one will buy the stuff, or corporate decides it's simply too expensive to produce relative to any new sales it might generate. Or the project might never get out of development hell, or production yields may be so abysmally low that the sensor will be prohibitively expensive to produce in larger sizes.

11-14-2014, 07:09 AM	#17
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	IN short, I really don't want to get excited until it makes it's way into a camera. As with Samsung's 28 Mp backlit sensor. Great theory, but the IR images are not as good as the K-3s at 3200 ISO. My question became, "why did they actually produce this sensor, we're they really thinking they could sell product, just on marketing hype?"

11-17-2014, 05:32 AM	#19
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150 Original Poster	Technical details: (SR4) Detailed spec sheet of the new Sony APCS (active pixel color sampling) sensor! \| sonyalpharumors ...I have no idea what they're saying...

11-17-2014, 06:41 AM	#20
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	It says base ISO 5100, with a dynamic range of 22 EV.... 9 more stops dynamic range the dynamic range at 5 times the sensitivity.

11-17-2014, 08:37 AM	#21
Giklab Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Slovenia Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,182	The same principle as with ultrasonic dust removal and SR AA. Originally posted by normhead It says base ISO 5100, with a dynamic range of 22 EV.... 9 more stops dynamic range the dynamic range at 5 times the sensitivity. That's 21.3 EV, but still... Also: "The only question is how this triple exposure time will work on moving subjects and long exposure shots" It will work on long-exp just as it's always worked: shorter exposure times stacked one on top of another.

11-17-2014, 09:02 PM	#22
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by normhead It says base ISO 5100, with a dynamic range of 22 EV.... 9 more stops dynamic range the dynamic range at 5 times the sensitivity. Wasn't this discussed on another thread? The miracle sensor is a 1.5cm video sensor with about 4.4 Mpx resolution. the tech may eventually make its way into larger, high resolution sensors, but for now it is rumored to be a specialty product optimized for what might be incredible 2K video performance...assuming, of course, there are image processors capable of keeping up with it. Steve