Nikon mirrorless teaser?

surfar · 07-24-2018, 03:44 AM

Nikon will anounce in a month...last week of August.Theres a live online thingo booked in for 23rd.

Canon will follow in early Sept.

Wait and see both bodies @ photokina.

D1N0 · 07-24-2018, 03:48 AM - **1 Like**

According to this pic the mount has a 65mm diameter. That would be insensibly wide for 35mm. They may have gone for a MF or cropped MF.

Sandy Hancock · 07-24-2018, 03:54 AM

I immediately thought medium format given the size of the mount.

When they say "Full Frame", it doesn't specify which frame.

Interesting times....

**Rondec** · 07-24-2018, 03:55 AM

I'm sure they will be nice cameras. It does beg the question, if mirrorless cameras have similar performance and size to SLRs, then what is the point? I guess some prefer EVFs to OVFs and you can get away from shutter shock. Still, they seem more similar than different. In order to generate a certain level of performance and a particular level of build quality, you have to have a certain size camera. And zooms don't seem to be smaller either, only wide angle primes.

Sandy Hancock · 07-24-2018, 04:01 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Rondec

If mirrorless cameras have similar performance and size to SLRs, then what is the point?

Totally. I've never got it, but maybe I'm just a dinosaur.
Tiny body which needs a huge lens; who wins?

UNLESS it's medium format

**Rondec** · 07-24-2018, 04:06 AM

Originally posted by Sandy Hancock

Totally. I've never got it, but maybe I'm just a dinosaur.
Tiny body which needs a huge lens; who wins?

UNLESS it's medium format

By all accounts it is 35mm, two cameras, on with a 24 megapixel sensor and the other with 40-ish megapixels. At least that's the rumor. I think the point of the huge mount is to allow for really fast lenses -- 0.9 apertures and such. That's the sort of lens that Sony can't make as the FE mount isn't wide enough.

At the same time, the cost of Leica lenses in that f stop range doesn't seem encouraging to the average photographer.

Sandy Hancock · 07-24-2018, 04:09 AM

I don't really do rumours.

I'll be back when there are facts.

**Digitalis** · 07-24-2018, 04:26 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Sandy Hancock

I immediately thought medium format given the size of the mount.

...that or Nikon intend to make some absurdly fast lenses for the system - which would ironically, drastically reduce its compactness.

D1N0 · 07-24-2018, 04:46 AM

It would mean Nikon is still trying to protect it's dslr business by competing with Fujifilm and Pentax MF. Also they would sell more lenses because F-mount wouldn't adapt to it, nor would any other 35mm lens mount. When the system is not perceived as a direct replacement of the F-mount, users have no reason to be p'd of because Nikon changed mounts. MF in mirrorless form is about the same size as a DSLR with large aperture lenses, so it would be more portable. Maybe they are squarely aiming at the marriage photography market, which is dominated by Canon.

**ffking** · 07-24-2018, 04:53 AM

As I said before, the image on the rear LCD is nor 6x4, so maybe the extra large mount accommodates semi-panoramic, 16x9 or whatever , croppable to 6x4?

reh321 · 07-24-2018, 05:06 AM

Originally posted by ffking

As I said before, the image on the rear LCD is nor 6x4, so maybe the extra large mount accommodates semi-panoramic, 16x9 or whatever , croppable to 6x4?

That is typical of MILC .... even my Q-7 does that.

**Digitalis** · 07-24-2018, 05:13 AM

A lot of this is conjecture, pedaling the rumor mill [ I'm quite happy to wait until we have hard data]. Whatever Nikon does they have to bring something unique to the market - something no-one else presently has. It would be disappointing to find Nikon comes out with a new camera only for it to be a SONY product in Nikon drag. Whatever Nikon has in the wings, has to have a distinct and compelling advantage over what currently exists - think about it. Medium format - Fuji and Hasselblad have already done that, and have both have received a lukewarm response from it*, SONY has already had great success with their Axx releases over the past year.

*At least among the AIPP and my independent colleagues across Australia.

**ffking** · 07-24-2018, 06:00 AM

Originally posted by reh321

That is typical of MILC .... even my Q-7 does that.

weird! - OK, my ignorance

serothis · 07-24-2018, 06:53 AM

Originally posted by Digitalis

A lot of this is conjecture, pedaling the rumor mill [ I'm quite happy to wait until we have hard data]. Whatever Nikon does they have to bring something unique to the market - something no-one else presently has. It would be disappointing to find Nikon comes out with a new camera only for it to be a SONY product in Nikon drag. Whatever Nikon has in the wings, has to have a distinct and compelling advantage over what currently exists - think about it. Medium format - Fuji and Hasselblad have already done that, and have both have received a lukewarm response from it*, SONY has already had great success with their Axx releases over the past year.

*At least among the AIPP and my independent colleagues across Australia.

This got me thinking, what if (and this is an absurd "if"), nikon is planning to a crop MF camera but is starting with 35mm? Kind of how we have FF and APS-C sensors using the same mount. Imagine nikon making a singular mount for crop MF and FF.

Adapting F-mount lenses would still work on the new mount for a FF image size.

biz-engineer · 07-24-2018, 07:43 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

It does beg the question, if mirrorless cameras have similar performance and size to SLRs, then what is the point?

We will see. Whenever we decide to upgrade our systems, it's good to have the choice. Who knows what that new Nikon system will be and how it will develop. Right now It is way too early to know.

07-24-2018, 03:44 AM	#16
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,138	So the latest "rumours" Nikon will anounce in a month...last week of August.Theres a live online thingo booked in for 23rd. Canon will follow in early Sept. Wait and see both bodies @ photokina.

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07-24-2018, 03:48 AM - 1 Like	#17
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	According to this pic the mount has a 65mm diameter. That would be insensibly wide for 35mm. They may have gone for a MF or cropped MF.

07-24-2018, 03:54 AM	#18
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,270	I immediately thought medium format given the size of the mount. When they say "Full Frame", it doesn't specify which frame. Interesting times....

07-24-2018, 03:55 AM	#19
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,650	I'm sure they will be nice cameras. It does beg the question, if mirrorless cameras have similar performance and size to SLRs, then what is the point? I guess some prefer EVFs to OVFs and you can get away from shutter shock. Still, they seem more similar than different. In order to generate a certain level of performance and a particular level of build quality, you have to have a certain size camera. And zooms don't seem to be smaller either, only wide angle primes.

07-24-2018, 04:01 AM - 1 Like	#20
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,270	Originally posted by Rondec If mirrorless cameras have similar performance and size to SLRs, then what is the point? Totally. I've never got it, but maybe I'm just a dinosaur. Tiny body which needs a huge lens; who wins? UNLESS it's medium format

07-24-2018, 04:06 AM	#21
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,650	Originally posted by Sandy Hancock Totally. I've never got it, but maybe I'm just a dinosaur. Tiny body which needs a huge lens; who wins? UNLESS it's medium format By all accounts it is 35mm, two cameras, on with a 24 megapixel sensor and the other with 40-ish megapixels. At least that's the rumor. I think the point of the huge mount is to allow for really fast lenses -- 0.9 apertures and such. That's the sort of lens that Sony can't make as the FE mount isn't wide enough. At the same time, the cost of Leica lenses in that f stop range doesn't seem encouraging to the average photographer.

07-24-2018, 04:09 AM	#22
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,270	I don't really do rumours. I'll be back when there are facts.

07-24-2018, 04:26 AM - 1 Like	#23
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by Sandy Hancock I immediately thought medium format given the size of the mount. ...that or Nikon intend to make some absurdly fast lenses for the system - which would ironically, drastically reduce its compactness.

07-24-2018, 04:46 AM	#24
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	It would mean Nikon is still trying to protect it's dslr business by competing with Fujifilm and Pentax MF. Also they would sell more lenses because F-mount wouldn't adapt to it, nor would any other 35mm lens mount. When the system is not perceived as a direct replacement of the F-mount, users have no reason to be p'd of because Nikon changed mounts. MF in mirrorless form is about the same size as a DSLR with large aperture lenses, so it would be more portable. Maybe they are squarely aiming at the marriage photography market, which is dominated by Canon.

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ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	As I said before, the image on the rear LCD is nor 6x4, so maybe the extra large mount accommodates semi-panoramic, 16x9 or whatever , croppable to 6x4?

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reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by ffking As I said before, the image on the rear LCD is nor 6x4, so maybe the extra large mount accommodates semi-panoramic, 16x9 or whatever , croppable to 6x4? That is typical of MILC .... even my Q-7 does that.

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07-24-2018, 05:13 AM	#27
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	A lot of this is conjecture, pedaling the rumor mill [ I'm quite happy to wait until we have hard data]. Whatever Nikon does they have to bring something unique to the market - something no-one else presently has. It would be disappointing to find Nikon comes out with a new camera only for it to be a SONY product in Nikon drag. Whatever Nikon has in the wings, has to have a distinct and compelling advantage over what currently exists - think about it. Medium format - Fuji and Hasselblad have already done that, and have both have received a lukewarm response from it, SONY has already had great success with their Axx releases over the past year. At least among the AIPP and my independent colleagues across Australia.

07-24-2018, 06:00 AM	#28
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by reh321 That is typical of MILC .... even my Q-7 does that. weird! - OK, my ignorance

07-24-2018, 06:53 AM	#29
serothis Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 538	Originally posted by Digitalis A lot of this is conjecture, pedaling the rumor mill [ I'm quite happy to wait until we have hard data]. Whatever Nikon does they have to bring something unique to the market - something no-one else presently has. It would be disappointing to find Nikon comes out with a new camera only for it to be a SONY product in Nikon drag. Whatever Nikon has in the wings, has to have a distinct and compelling advantage over what currently exists - think about it. Medium format - Fuji and Hasselblad have already done that, and have both have received a lukewarm response from it, SONY has already had great success with their Axx releases over the past year. At least among the AIPP and my independent colleagues across Australia. This got me thinking, what if (and this is an absurd "if"), nikon is planning to a crop MF camera but is starting with 35mm? Kind of how we have FF and APS-C sensors using the same mount. Imagine nikon making a singular mount for crop MF and FF. Adapting F-mount lenses would still work on the new mount for a FF image size.

07-24-2018, 07:43 AM	#30
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,228	Originally posted by Rondec It does beg the question, if mirrorless cameras have similar performance and size to SLRs, then what is the point? We will see. Whenever we decide to upgrade our systems, it's good to have the choice. Who knows what that new Nikon system will be and how it will develop. Right now It is way too early to know.