Originally posted by UncleVanya I guess I have to ask what lenses you think are equivalent. The older Pentax 16-45 was that wide and long and a constant f/4 but isn't generally available today new - the 17-70 was longer and also constant aperture and nearly as wide (it was a pretty wide 17 if I recall). The 16-50 is a totally different league and the 16-85 as well. Not much point comparing those. The 18-55 is not as wide but is longer and the crop factor of the Canon (1.6) vs. Pentax (1.5x) is also something to consider. the DA 15 on a Pentax is much wider than the 15-45 on that camera.
In any case, it looks like a good camera but don't expect anything more than basic lens performance from the 15-45 from what I read. It isn't awful but not fantastic either:
Canon EF-M 15-45mm f/3.5-6.3 STM IS - Review / Test I had forgotten about the 16-45. But even that second hand plus the cheapest FA24 f2 I can find equal the same price as this little combo. The way I see it is I get the bonus of a second, higher resolution camera free.
I'd love the 16-85 but it's hugely expensive. As is something like the 12-24 (and I'm guessing the new APS-C wide zoom will be).
I'm still a bit undecided, but felt I'd better buy while I still had a prime free trial.
I don't mind second hand for older lenses but I don't have the money to throw 280 quid at a second hand lens only to find it packs up a year down the line. I'm not expecting to use the 15-45 all that often, the 22 is far more attractive.