Fujifilm XT-3 @ Photokina the Apsc G9

surfar · 08-22-2018, 01:31 AM

Yes, Xtrans 4 sensor
26mp/BSI
New processor
20fps
4K video
New battery grip(so XT2 wont fit)
WR standard like XH-1(better than XT2)
No IBIS

No idea of pricing at this stage.

Last edited by surfar; 08-30-2018 at 04:01 AM.

biz-engineer · 08-22-2018, 01:43 AM

Looks like there are more non-Pentax news than Pentax news on Pentax forum these days. I'm guessing Adam may sometimes get nervous about Pentax :-)

surfar · 08-22-2018, 02:09 AM

RI keep their stuff closely guarded...the leaks on this camera and others have been steady for quite a few months now.

The GFX-50R is still not very "outed" yet,but its a PhotoKina announcement too(maybe a touch before).

I'm expecting something new from RI next month...They love giving surprises.

surfar · 08-22-2018, 02:20 PM

Well, hows 30fps stills sound?...its a 1.25x crop.(16mp)

The pricing on the body is less(rumour) than the XT-2 was on release.

Video specs include much updated over the XT-2 as well.

Last edited by surfar; 08-30-2018 at 04:03 AM.

surfar · 08-30-2018, 03:59 AM

Anticipated price of XT-3 is looking like $1499.

Video specs 4K with 10bit 4.2.2 internal recording,this may fire a missile in the Mirrorless WAR!

The Squirrel Mafia · 08-30-2018, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by surfar

...
No IBIS
...

This is a deal breaker for me. I'd rather plop a few extra hundred more for a D500 if I'm going IBIS-less.

serothis · 08-30-2018, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by The Squirrel Mafia

This is a deal breaker for me. I'd rather plop a few extra hundred more for a D500 if I'm going IBIS-less.

The lack of IBIS is especially peculiar because they have it on the X-H1. They have the technology. They're just doing frustrating product segmentation.

**Rondec** · 08-30-2018, 09:18 AM

I doubt you can have image stabilization on the sensor at 20 fps. Better just to have your camera on a monopod there.

The Squirrel Mafia · 08-30-2018, 09:49 AM

^ Yes. When conditions are bright & you're using high shutter speed to capture something, IBIS is basically useless.

But when you're trying to shoot a low light scene with an unstabilized lens & want to use a low ISO hand held, you're screwed. Gotta resort to higher ISO & higher shutter speed or carry some kind of monopod/tripod with you. Then it all becomes bulky.

serothis · 08-30-2018, 10:07 AM - **1 Like**

The Sony A9 has IBIS. It might not be much use at 20fps but I doubt anyone who bought the A9 shoots exclusively at 20fps.

surfar · 08-30-2018, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by The Squirrel Mafia

This is a deal breaker for me. I'd rather plop a few extra hundred more for a D500 if I'm going IBIS-less.

Originally posted by serothis

The lack of IBIS is especially peculiar because they have it on the X-H1. They have the technology. They're just doing frustrating product segmentation.

The XH-2 will bring IBIS and Xtrans 4 with all these features and more...it may be a while to wait though.

Even though the Nikon is a classic,its dated and still pricey(quite a few hundred above what the Xt-3 will ship at).

Originally posted by serothis

They're just doing frustrating product segmentation.

Well, not really...they made the bigger XH-1 to accomodate the IBIS(and some other stuff).When asked about IBIS in future smaller bodies the answer was they couldnt fit it in.

This XT-3 body must have changed slightly because the XT-2 grip wont fit it.As they develop features they get passed( mostly) to their lower tier cameras.

serothis · 08-30-2018, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by surfar

Well, not really...they made the bigger XH-1 to accomodate the IBIS(and some other stuff).When asked about IBIS in future smaller bodies the answer was they couldnt fit it in.

I don't know the layout of the xt bodies but I don't really buy that excuse. Both the olympus omd em10 mk2/3 and the sony a6500 have IBIS and are smaller bodies than the fuji bodies.

Compact Camera Meter

surfar · 08-30-2018, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by serothis

I don't know the layout of the xt bodies but I don't really buy that excuse.

Well,thats what Fuji are saying...And Yes,the OLY Ibis is great in the Mk3 OMD 10,the funnest camera i own.

serothis · 08-30-2018, 04:20 PM

I know that's what fuji said, I just don't think they're being honest.

surfar · 08-30-2018, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by serothis

they're being honest.

Thats what i think...So i'll tell you why i think that.

A fair while ago some of their client base requested an IBIS camera.Their reaction was " Ibis isnt possible with Xtrans sensor"...and that was true at that stage of their development....Further along the development path they made IBIS work with the Xtrans3(its not quite as good as some others).

Now,the development of Xtrans 4 was paramount in their progression and the first body is the XT-3...IBIS may occur after further development.

Just because IBIS can work with one sensor doesnt automatically mean it goes on the next body at release. It wasnt included with the XT-100 which is a recent release.XT2 doesnt have IBIS but theres many many devotees of that body so the upgraders wont worry too much.

Fuji users that require IBIS have bought H-1,i'm waiting for H-2.

From what ive seen,Fuji are the company who listens to their customers the most.They cant do the impossible but what they do is high quality.

Call me a Fanboy, yes,but not of Fuji....i'm a fan boy of quality that fits my needs.

08-22-2018, 01:31 AM	#1
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141	Fujifilm XT-3 @ Photokina the Apsc A9. Yes, Xtrans 4 sensor 26mp/BSI New processor 20fps 4K video New battery grip(so XT2 wont fit) WR standard like XH-1(better than XT2) No IBIS No idea of pricing at this stage. Last edited by surfar; 08-30-2018 at 04:01 AM.

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surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141 Original Poster	RI keep their stuff closely guarded...the leaks on this camera and others have been steady for quite a few months now. The GFX-50R is still not very "outed" yet,but its a PhotoKina announcement too(maybe a touch before). I'm expecting something new from RI next month...They love giving surprises.

08-22-2018, 02:20 PM	#4
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141 Original Poster	Well, hows 30fps stills sound?...its a 1.25x crop.(16mp) The pricing on the body is less(rumour) than the XT-2 was on release. Video specs include much updated over the XT-2 as well. Last edited by surfar; 08-30-2018 at 04:03 AM.

08-30-2018, 03:59 AM	#5
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141 Original Poster	Anticipated price of XT-3 is looking like $1499. Video specs 4K with 10bit 4.2.2 internal recording,this may fire a missile in the Mirrorless WAR!

08-30-2018, 08:59 AM	#6
The Squirrel Mafia Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 3,054	Originally posted by surfar ... No IBIS ... This is a deal breaker for me. I'd rather plop a few extra hundred more for a D500 if I'm going IBIS-less.

08-30-2018, 09:07 AM	#7
serothis Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 538	Originally posted by The Squirrel Mafia This is a deal breaker for me. I'd rather plop a few extra hundred more for a D500 if I'm going IBIS-less. The lack of IBIS is especially peculiar because they have it on the X-H1. They have the technology. They're just doing frustrating product segmentation.

08-30-2018, 09:18 AM	#8
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	I doubt you can have image stabilization on the sensor at 20 fps. Better just to have your camera on a monopod there.

08-30-2018, 09:49 AM	#9
The Squirrel Mafia Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 3,054	^ Yes. When conditions are bright & you're using high shutter speed to capture something, IBIS is basically useless. But when you're trying to shoot a low light scene with an unstabilized lens & want to use a low ISO hand held, you're screwed. Gotta resort to higher ISO & higher shutter speed or carry some kind of monopod/tripod with you. Then it all becomes bulky.

08-30-2018, 10:07 AM - 1 Like	#10
serothis Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 538	The Sony A9 has IBIS. It might not be much use at 20fps but I doubt anyone who bought the A9 shoots exclusively at 20fps.

08-30-2018, 03:22 PM	#11
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141 Original Poster	Originally posted by The Squirrel Mafia This is a deal breaker for me. I'd rather plop a few extra hundred more for a D500 if I'm going IBIS-less. Originally posted by serothis The lack of IBIS is especially peculiar because they have it on the X-H1. They have the technology. They're just doing frustrating product segmentation. The XH-2 will bring IBIS and Xtrans 4 with all these features and more...it may be a while to wait though. Even though the Nikon is a classic,its dated and still pricey(quite a few hundred above what the Xt-3 will ship at). Originally posted by serothis They're just doing frustrating product segmentation. Well, not really...they made the bigger XH-1 to accomodate the IBIS(and some other stuff).When asked about IBIS in future smaller bodies the answer was they couldnt fit it in. This XT-3 body must have changed slightly because the XT-2 grip wont fit it.As they develop features they get passed( mostly) to their lower tier cameras.

08-30-2018, 04:12 PM	#12
serothis Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 538	Originally posted by surfar Well, not really...they made the bigger XH-1 to accomodate the IBIS(and some other stuff).When asked about IBIS in future smaller bodies the answer was they couldnt fit it in. I don't know the layout of the xt bodies but I don't really buy that excuse. Both the olympus omd em10 mk2/3 and the sony a6500 have IBIS and are smaller bodies than the fuji bodies. Compact Camera Meter

08-30-2018, 04:15 PM	#13
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141 Original Poster	Originally posted by serothis I don't know the layout of the xt bodies but I don't really buy that excuse. Well,thats what Fuji are saying...And Yes,the OLY Ibis is great in the Mk3 OMD 10,the funnest camera i own.

08-30-2018, 04:20 PM	#14
serothis Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 538	I know that's what fuji said, I just don't think they're being honest.

08-30-2018, 05:22 PM	#15
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141 Original Poster	Originally posted by serothis they're being honest. Thats what i think...So i'll tell you why i think that. A fair while ago some of their client base requested an IBIS camera.Their reaction was " Ibis isnt possible with Xtrans sensor"...and that was true at that stage of their development....Further along the development path they made IBIS work with the Xtrans3(its not quite as good as some others). Now,the development of Xtrans 4 was paramount in their progression and the first body is the XT-3...IBIS may occur after further development. Just because IBIS can work with one sensor doesnt automatically mean it goes on the next body at release. It wasnt included with the XT-100 which is a recent release.XT2 doesnt have IBIS but theres many many devotees of that body so the upgraders wont worry too much. Fuji users that require IBIS have bought H-1,i'm waiting for H-2. From what ive seen,Fuji are the company who listens to their customers the most.They cant do the impossible but what they do is high quality. Call me a Fanboy, yes,but not of Fuji....i'm a fan boy of quality that fits my needs.