$$$ony loses major client.

surfar · 08-11-2019, 04:41 PM

Samsung has secured the supply of sensors for the fourth largest smartphone maker.

XIAOMI will use Samsung sensors in all future new smartphones.

Of course the existing models will still use Sony sensors.

Samsung bought the first BSI sensor to ILCs back in the dim dark ages,My guess, is its a matter of time till they get their sensors into another system.

rawr · 08-11-2019, 10:28 PM - **1 Like**

What was the justification provided by XIAOMI? Seems like performance or cost may not have been the only factors in the decision.

It's also not clear whether it means XIAOMI will now simply add Samsung sensors into their evolving product mix, alongside Sony, or rely on Samsung image sensors exclusively in future for their new phones. If it's exclusive sourcing, that may be a big deal, esp if other Chinese manufacturers then do the same.

surfar · 08-11-2019, 11:01 PM

Well,not only do Xiaomi make lots of phones.

They actually make a few cameras as well, mostly small sensors action type stuff,dash cams,security cams.

However,they do have an arm that makes ILCs....YI,the Leica of China(lmao)...it's a m43 mount that's got a nice Sony sensor.Not a great camera but it did come with a couple of lenses.

---------- Post added 08-12-19 at 05:03 PM ----------

They do drones too

RonHendriks1966 · 08-11-2019, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by surfar

Well,not only do Xiaomi make lots of phones.

They actually make a few cameras as well, mostly small sensors action type stuff,dash cams,security cams.

However,they do have an arm that makes ILCs....YI,the Leica of China(lmao)...it's a m43 mount that's got a nice Sony sensor.Not a great camera but it did come with a couple of lenses.

---------- Post added 08-12-19 at 05:03 PM ----------

They do drones too

They should buy Pentax.

surfar · 08-12-2019, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

They should buy Pentax.

Its not for sale.

**ffking** · 08-12-2019, 01:05 AM - **1 Like**

When Samsung were growing fast internationally, say 15-10 years ago, they did it by being a great value proposition - reaaly good products at below like for like competition's prices - I reckon they could easily play the same hand with their sensors

surfar · 08-12-2019, 01:41 AM

A couple of years ago,Samy said they wanted to sell their sensors,meaning they wanted a slice of Sony's pie...so this is the first significant step.

Zooland · 08-12-2019, 05:26 AM

Originally posted by rawr

What was the justification provided by XIAOMI? Seems like performance or cost may not have been the only factors in the decision.

It's also not clear whether it means XIAOMI will now simply add Samsung sensors into their evolving product mix, alongside Sony, or rely on Samsung image sensors exclusively in future for their new phones. If it's exclusive sourcing, that may be a big deal, esp if other Chinese manufacturers then do the same.

Sony likes to keep the best sensors for themselves.

surfar · 08-12-2019, 07:17 PM

Samsung and Xiaomi want to put a 108-megapixel camera in your phone

The biggest sensor for phones yet,take that $$$ony,Fuji(forget the rest but Canon may announce 70/80mp soon)

**Rondec** · 08-13-2019, 03:24 AM

Originally posted by surfar

Samsung and Xiaomi want to put a 108-megapixel camera in your phone

The biggest sensor for phones yet,take that $$$ony,Fuji(forget the rest but Canon may announce 70/80mp soon)

Seems silly. Diffraction would surely set in at 30-ish megapixels on a phone sensor, even wide open at f1.8.

biz-engineer · 08-13-2019, 04:01 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

Seems silly.

The camera trade-offs are too complicated / not interesting for a lot of people who just buy into marketing claims. It's just that for the majority of people not as experts as in this Pentax forum sites. That's how Huawei was so successful by showing images taken with a DSLR to promote the image quality of their phones. Xiami now does the same. A number of claims are also made by camera companies which never happen to be of real value in practice, mirrorless is one of them, but there are enough claims to increase sales overall.

**Serkevan** · 08-13-2019, 04:41 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by biz-engineer

A number of claims are also made by camera companies which never happen to be of real value in practice, mirrorless is one of them, but there are enough claims to increase sales overall.

But but but the Throat Diameter!!. And the FLANGE DISTANCE!!! Don't you know that the Pentax mount is utterly, completely, totally incapable of even servicing a 5 MP 1" sensor from 2005?

biz-engineer · 08-13-2019, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by Serkevan

Don't you know that the Pentax mount is utterly, completely, totally incapable of even servicing a 5 MP 1" sensor from 2005?

I didn't know that. I cleaned my sensor a few month ago by enabling the option in the menus to lock the mirror up. And it worked just fine.

surfar · 08-13-2019, 04:22 PM

Samsung Takes Mobile Photography to the Next Level with Industry?s First 108Mp Image Sensor for Smartphones – Samsung Global Newsroom

Sceptical comments come with all new tech,Xaomi prices sit below Appmung,so it'll be interesting to see what this device can produce.

1"/M43/APSc are all the targets of the ever increasing SmarTide!

**RobA_Oz** · 08-13-2019, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by Serkevan

But but but the Throat Diameter!!. And the FLANGE DISTANCE!!! Don't you know that the Pentax mount is utterly, completely, totally incapable of even servicing a 5 MP 1" sensor from 2005?

Indeed. Step up all those naysayers who vociferously claimed the K-mount was incompatible with a full frame IBIS system, before the K-1 proved them wrong.

08-11-2019, 04:41 PM	#1
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141	$$$ony loses major client. Samsung has secured the supply of sensors for the fourth largest smartphone maker. XIAOMI will use Samsung sensors in all future new smartphones. Of course the existing models will still use Sony sensors. Samsung bought the first BSI sensor to ILCs back in the dim dark ages,My guess, is its a matter of time till they get their sensors into another system.

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08-11-2019, 10:28 PM - 1 Like	#2
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	What was the justification provided by XIAOMI? Seems like performance or cost may not have been the only factors in the decision. It's also not clear whether it means XIAOMI will now simply add Samsung sensors into their evolving product mix, alongside Sony, or rely on Samsung image sensors exclusively in future for their new phones. If it's exclusive sourcing, that may be a big deal, esp if other Chinese manufacturers then do the same.

08-11-2019, 11:01 PM	#3
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141 Original Poster	Well,not only do Xiaomi make lots of phones. They actually make a few cameras as well, mostly small sensors action type stuff,dash cams,security cams. However,they do have an arm that makes ILCs....YI,the Leica of China(lmao)...it's a m43 mount that's got a nice Sony sensor.Not a great camera but it did come with a couple of lenses. ---------- Post added 08-12-19 at 05:03 PM ---------- They do drones too

08-11-2019, 11:05 PM	#4
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by surfar Well,not only do Xiaomi make lots of phones. They actually make a few cameras as well, mostly small sensors action type stuff,dash cams,security cams. However,they do have an arm that makes ILCs....YI,the Leica of China(lmao)...it's a m43 mount that's got a nice Sony sensor.Not a great camera but it did come with a couple of lenses. ---------- Post added 08-12-19 at 05:03 PM ---------- They do drones too They should buy Pentax.

08-12-2019, 12:35 AM	#5
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141 Original Poster	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 They should buy Pentax. Its not for sale.

08-12-2019, 01:05 AM - 1 Like	#6
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	When Samsung were growing fast internationally, say 15-10 years ago, they did it by being a great value proposition - reaaly good products at below like for like competition's prices - I reckon they could easily play the same hand with their sensors

08-12-2019, 01:41 AM	#7
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141 Original Poster	A couple of years ago,Samy said they wanted to sell their sensors,meaning they wanted a slice of Sony's pie...so this is the first significant step.

08-12-2019, 05:26 AM	#8
Zooland Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Posts: 370	Originally posted by rawr What was the justification provided by XIAOMI? Seems like performance or cost may not have been the only factors in the decision. It's also not clear whether it means XIAOMI will now simply add Samsung sensors into their evolving product mix, alongside Sony, or rely on Samsung image sensors exclusively in future for their new phones. If it's exclusive sourcing, that may be a big deal, esp if other Chinese manufacturers then do the same. Sony likes to keep the best sensors for themselves.

08-12-2019, 07:17 PM	#9
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141 Original Poster	Samsung and Xiaomi want to put a 108-megapixel camera in your phone The biggest sensor for phones yet,take that $$$ony,Fuji(forget the rest but Canon may announce 70/80mp soon)

08-13-2019, 03:24 AM	#10
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by surfar Samsung and Xiaomi want to put a 108-megapixel camera in your phone The biggest sensor for phones yet,take that $$$ony,Fuji(forget the rest but Canon may announce 70/80mp soon) Seems silly. Diffraction would surely set in at 30-ish megapixels on a phone sensor, even wide open at f1.8.

08-13-2019, 04:01 AM	#11
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,232	Originally posted by Rondec Seems silly. The camera trade-offs are too complicated / not interesting for a lot of people who just buy into marketing claims. It's just that for the majority of people not as experts as in this Pentax forum sites. That's how Huawei was so successful by showing images taken with a DSLR to promote the image quality of their phones. Xiami now does the same. A number of claims are also made by camera companies which never happen to be of real value in practice, mirrorless is one of them, but there are enough claims to increase sales overall.

08-13-2019, 04:41 AM - 1 Like	#12
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by biz-engineer A number of claims are also made by camera companies which never happen to be of real value in practice, mirrorless is one of them, but there are enough claims to increase sales overall. But but but the Throat Diameter!!. And the FLANGE DISTANCE!!! Don't you know that the Pentax mount is utterly, completely, totally incapable of even servicing a 5 MP 1" sensor from 2005?

08-13-2019, 09:20 AM	#13
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,232	Originally posted by Serkevan Don't you know that the Pentax mount is utterly, completely, totally incapable of even servicing a 5 MP 1" sensor from 2005? I didn't know that. I cleaned my sensor a few month ago by enabling the option in the menus to lock the mirror up. And it worked just fine.

08-13-2019, 04:22 PM	#14
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,141 Original Poster	Samsung Takes Mobile Photography to the Next Level with Industry?s First 108Mp Image Sensor for Smartphones – Samsung Global Newsroom Sceptical comments come with all new tech,Xaomi prices sit below Appmung,so it'll be interesting to see what this device can produce. 1"/M43/APSc are all the targets of the ever increasing SmarTide!

08-13-2019, 04:52 PM	#15
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,197	Originally posted by Serkevan But but but the Throat Diameter!!. And the FLANGE DISTANCE!!! Don't you know that the Pentax mount is utterly, completely, totally incapable of even servicing a 5 MP 1" sensor from 2005? Indeed. Step up all those naysayers who vociferously claimed the K-mount was incompatible with a full frame IBIS system, before the K-1 proved them wrong.