Nikon to Announce APS-C Mirrorless

**Mbaez** · 10-11-2019, 06:57 AM

Originally posted by Serkevan

EDIT: in any case, neither Canon nor Nikon have ever given a serious thought to their crop lens selection beyond an assortment of kit-like and consumer grade options.
Canon has what, the 24mm 2.8 pancake, the 17-55/2.8 zoom and the various superzooms/kits/two tele options (50-200 and 70-300? Is the 70-300 FF?) both with 4-5.6 aperture?

I agree with you. Regarding their lenses, I have the feeling that Nikon is going to follow the same path with their new Z-DX that they did with DX: consumer grade lenses and no dedicated primes. Plus, this time they don't have Sigma's nor Tamron's help to fill the holes.

**Serkevan** · 10-11-2019, 07:06 AM - **3 Likes**

Pentax (and Fuji) truly have us spoiled for choice with APS-C lenses.

**Mbaez** · 10-11-2019, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by Serkevan

Pentax (and Fuji) truly have us spoiled for choice with APS-C lenses.

For real, I love the Pentax lineup.

**Mikesul** · 10-11-2019, 04:10 PM

It is kind of surprising that Nikon introduced an APS-C at this point.

mannyquinto · 10-11-2019, 04:28 PM

Not everybody needs full frame and their overly priced and huge lenses. But Nikon should have designed and released fast prime pancake lenses on their APS-C mirrorless body at the start.

**Serkevan** · 10-12-2019, 12:18 AM

Originally posted by mannyquinto

Not everybody needs full frame and their overly priced and huge lenses. But Nikon should have designed and released fast prime pancake lenses on their APS-C mirrorless body at the start.

Nikon has all of *two* primes for their APS-C DSLRs. And those have been around for almost two decades. They think that APS-C users are beginners, not enthusiasts making a conscious decision. Canon at least has a couple of EF lenses that fit nicely on their crop cameras, plus the EF-M lenses (although those form a pretty limited system, it covers most things generally needed).

**Rondec** · 10-12-2019, 02:56 AM

Nikon's hope, as always, is to get people into their APS-C models and have them purchase a full frame lens or two and then feel like they have to move to full frame to maximize their lens purchase. If you have too many APS-C lenses people might just stay there.

Pentax was an APS-C only company for so long that this really wasn't a problem, although folks who shoot legacy lenses often are attracted to full frame simply to shoot their older lenses the "way they were intended to be shot."

**luftfluss** · 10-12-2019, 07:47 AM

Originally posted by Serkevan

Pentax (and Fuji) truly have us spoiled for choice with APS-C lenses.

Sure. Many of the Pentax APS-C lenses not only produce good results, but are a real pleasure to handle and shoot with, facets of the photographic process that don't translate to MTF charts.

reh321 · 10-12-2019, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by Rondec

Pentax was an APS-C only company for so long that this really wasn't a problem, although folks who shoot legacy lenses often are attracted to full frame simply to shoot their older lenses the "way they were intended to be shot."

I have all the zoom lenses I need for the DSLRs that the few SLR primes I have just sit around and collect dust - I'd never spend $$$$ on "FF" cameras just to use those.

**Serkevan** · 10-12-2019, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by luftfluss

Sure. Many of the Pentax APS-C lenses not only produce good results, but are a real pleasure to handle and shoot with, facets of the photographic process that don't translate to MTF charts.

You mean that MTF charts are not worth printing, framing and displaying in your living room??

I have been doing this "photography" thing SO wrong!

**Rondec** · 10-12-2019, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by reh321

I have all the zoom lenses I need for the DSLRs that the few SLR primes I have just sit around and collect dust - I'd never spend $$$$ on "FF" cameras just to use those.

That's fine. There are others who have different, more expansive collections of full frame lenses. They often feel more of an attraction to full frame, particularly as the price comes down on it.

surfar · 10-12-2019, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by Serkevan

Fuji) truly have us spoiled for choice with APS-C lenses.

There is a few gaps but they should be filled within a couple of years.

---------- Post added 10-13-19 at 10:30 AM ----------

Originally posted by reh321

I'd never spend $$$$ on "FF" cameras just to use those.

You could get the FF with the kit zoom, it goes OK.

---------- Post added 10-13-19 at 10:42 AM ----------

Originally posted by Mikesul

It is kind of surprising that Nikon introduced an APS-C at this point.

Well,when you consider that their main rivals in the market place CanOny offer FF and Apsc,its no surprise that they want to offer their client base an option.

Its competitive pricewise, that kit 16-50 makes it light and compact(what the 1 system used to be).

reh321 · 10-12-2019, 06:14 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by mannyquinto

Not everybody needs full frame and their overly priced and huge lenses. But Nikon should have designed and released fast prime pancake lenses on their APS-C mirrorless body at the start.

More important, not everyone needs "perfect" lenses with their corner-to-corner sharpness. Before computers people were satisfied with center sharpness - now not so much - but with the exception of a few landscapes, in most cases we still should be satisfied with center sharpness and be more concerned with composition than with "perfect" equipment that we have to lug around.

y0chang · 10-12-2019, 06:19 PM

I wonder if Nikon will stop selling APS-C dslrs and only sell Mirrorless in that price range.

reh321 · 10-12-2019, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by y0chang

I wonder if Nikon will stop selling APS-C dslrs and only sell Mirrorless in that price range.

Canon is more likely to do that than Nikon is. Nikon - like Pentax - took a slow path to the final electronic mount that Canon jumped to over thirty years ago. The two companies {Nikon and Pentax} each maintained mostly compatibility along the path, but it is hard to construct full-function adapters to maintain that compatibility. As a result, customers might have to dump some expensive 'glass', and the more they dump, the more they will think of changing brands as well ..... which will discourage Nikon from making the change completely.

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10-11-2019, 06:57 AM	#16
Mbaez Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: NY Photos: Albums Posts: 3,774	Originally posted by Serkevan EDIT: in any case, neither Canon nor Nikon have ever given a serious thought to their crop lens selection beyond an assortment of kit-like and consumer grade options. Canon has what, the 24mm 2.8 pancake, the 17-55/2.8 zoom and the various superzooms/kits/two tele options (50-200 and 70-300? Is the 70-300 FF?) both with 4-5.6 aperture? I agree with you. Regarding their lenses, I have the feeling that Nikon is going to follow the same path with their new Z-DX that they did with DX: consumer grade lenses and no dedicated primes. Plus, this time they don't have Sigma's nor Tamron's help to fill the holes.

10-11-2019, 07:06 AM - 3 Likes	#17
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Pentax (and Fuji) truly have us spoiled for choice with APS-C lenses.

10-11-2019, 01:38 PM	#18
Mbaez Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: NY Photos: Albums Posts: 3,774	Originally posted by Serkevan Pentax (and Fuji) truly have us spoiled for choice with APS-C lenses. For real, I love the Pentax lineup.

10-11-2019, 04:10 PM	#19
Mikesul Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,594	It is kind of surprising that Nikon introduced an APS-C at this point.

10-11-2019, 04:28 PM	#20
mannyquinto Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: manila Posts: 152	Not everybody needs full frame and their overly priced and huge lenses. But Nikon should have designed and released fast prime pancake lenses on their APS-C mirrorless body at the start.

10-12-2019, 12:18 AM	#21
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by mannyquinto Not everybody needs full frame and their overly priced and huge lenses. But Nikon should have designed and released fast prime pancake lenses on their APS-C mirrorless body at the start. Nikon has all of two primes for their APS-C *DSLRs*. And those have been around for almost two decades. They think that APS-C users are beginners, not enthusiasts making a conscious decision. Canon at least has a couple of EF lenses that fit nicely on their crop cameras, plus the EF-M lenses (although those form a pretty limited system, it covers most things generally needed).

10-12-2019, 02:56 AM	#22
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,662	Nikon's hope, as always, is to get people into their APS-C models and have them purchase a full frame lens or two and then feel like they have to move to full frame to maximize their lens purchase. If you have too many APS-C lenses people might just stay there. Pentax was an APS-C only company for so long that this really wasn't a problem, although folks who shoot legacy lenses often are attracted to full frame simply to shoot their older lenses the "way they were intended to be shot."

10-12-2019, 07:47 AM	#23
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,626	Originally posted by Serkevan Pentax (and Fuji) truly have us spoiled for choice with APS-C lenses. Sure. Many of the Pentax APS-C lenses not only produce good results, but are a real pleasure to handle and shoot with, facets of the photographic process that don't translate to MTF charts.

10-12-2019, 01:20 PM	#24
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,181	Originally posted by Rondec Pentax was an APS-C only company for so long that this really wasn't a problem, although folks who shoot legacy lenses often are attracted to full frame simply to shoot their older lenses the "way they were intended to be shot." I have all the zoom lenses I need for the DSLRs that the few SLR primes I have just sit around and collect dust - I'd never spend $$$$ on "FF" cameras just to use those.

10-12-2019, 04:24 PM	#25
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by luftfluss Sure. Many of the Pentax APS-C lenses not only produce good results, but are a real pleasure to handle and shoot with, facets of the photographic process that don't translate to MTF charts. You mean that MTF charts are not worth printing, framing and displaying in your living room?? I have been doing this "photography" thing SO wrong!

10-12-2019, 04:25 PM	#26
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,662	Originally posted by reh321 I have all the zoom lenses I need for the DSLRs that the few SLR primes I have just sit around and collect dust - I'd never spend $$$$ on "FF" cameras just to use those. That's fine. There are others who have different, more expansive collections of full frame lenses. They often feel more of an attraction to full frame, particularly as the price comes down on it.

10-12-2019, 04:28 PM	#27
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,142	Originally posted by Serkevan Fuji) truly have us spoiled for choice with APS-C lenses. There is a few gaps but they should be filled within a couple of years. ---------- Post added 10-13-19 at 10:30 AM ---------- Originally posted by reh321 I'd never spend $$$$ on "FF" cameras just to use those. You could get the FF with the kit zoom, it goes OK. ---------- Post added 10-13-19 at 10:42 AM ---------- Originally posted by Mikesul It is kind of surprising that Nikon introduced an APS-C at this point. Well,when you consider that their main rivals in the market place CanOny offer FF and Apsc,its no surprise that they want to offer their client base an option. Its competitive pricewise, that kit 16-50 makes it light and compact(what the 1 system used to be).

10-12-2019, 06:14 PM - 1 Like	#28
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,181	Originally posted by mannyquinto Not everybody needs full frame and their overly priced and huge lenses. But Nikon should have designed and released fast prime pancake lenses on their APS-C mirrorless body at the start. More important, not everyone needs "perfect" lenses with their corner-to-corner sharpness. Before computers people were satisfied with center sharpness - now not so much - but with the exception of a few landscapes, in most cases we still should be satisfied with center sharpness and be more concerned with composition than with "perfect" equipment that we have to lug around.

10-12-2019, 06:19 PM	#29
y0chang Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: United States Posts: 793	I wonder if Nikon will stop selling APS-C dslrs and only sell Mirrorless in that price range.

10-12-2019, 06:33 PM	#30
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,181	Originally posted by y0chang I wonder if Nikon will stop selling APS-C dslrs and only sell Mirrorless in that price range. Canon is more likely to do that than Nikon is. Nikon - like Pentax - took a slow path to the final electronic mount that Canon jumped to over thirty years ago. The two companies {Nikon and Pentax} each maintained mostly compatibility along the path, but it is hard to construct full-function adapters to maintain that compatibility. As a result, customers might have to dump some expensive 'glass', and the more they dump, the more they will think of changing brands as well ..... which will discourage Nikon from making the change completely.